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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] virtio-spec: document block CMD and FLUSH
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:56:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100504185618.GA29725@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100504185459.GA24998@lst.de>

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 08:54:59PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22:20AM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > I took a stub at documenting CMD and FLUSH request types in virtio
> > block.  Christoph, could you look over this please?
> > 
> > I note that the interface seems full of warts to me,
> > this might be a first step to cleaning them.
> 
> The whole virtio-blk interface is full of warts.  It has been
> extended rather ad-hoc, so that is rather expected.
> 
> > One issue I struggled with especially is how type
> > field mixes bits and non-bit values. I ended up
> > simply defining all legal values, so that we have
> > CMD = 2, CMD_OUT = 3 and so on.
> 
> It's basically a complete mess without much logic behind it.
> 
> > +\change_unchanged
> > +the high bit
> > +\change_inserted 0 1266497301
> > + (VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER)
> > +\change_unchanged
> > + indicates that this request acts as a barrier and that all preceeding requests
> > + must be complete before this one, and all following requests must not be
> > + started until this is complete.
> > +
> > +\change_inserted 0 1266504385
> > + Note that a barrier does not flush caches in the underlying backend device
> > + in host, and thus does not serve as data consistency guarantee.
> > + Driver must use FLUSH request to flush the host cache.
> > +\change_unchanged
> 
> I'm not sure it's even worth documenting it.  I can't see any way to
> actually implement safe behaviour with the VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER-style
> barriers.

lguest seems to still use this.
I guess if you have a reliable host, VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER is enough?

> Btw, did I mention that .lyx is a a really horrible format to review
> diffs for?  Plain latex would be a lot better..

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH] virtio-spec: document block CMD and FLUSH
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:56:18 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100504185618.GA29725@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100504185459.GA24998@lst.de>

On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 08:54:59PM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:22:20AM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > I took a stub at documenting CMD and FLUSH request types in virtio
> > block.  Christoph, could you look over this please?
> > 
> > I note that the interface seems full of warts to me,
> > this might be a first step to cleaning them.
> 
> The whole virtio-blk interface is full of warts.  It has been
> extended rather ad-hoc, so that is rather expected.
> 
> > One issue I struggled with especially is how type
> > field mixes bits and non-bit values. I ended up
> > simply defining all legal values, so that we have
> > CMD = 2, CMD_OUT = 3 and so on.
> 
> It's basically a complete mess without much logic behind it.
> 
> > +\change_unchanged
> > +the high bit
> > +\change_inserted 0 1266497301
> > + (VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER)
> > +\change_unchanged
> > + indicates that this request acts as a barrier and that all preceeding requests
> > + must be complete before this one, and all following requests must not be
> > + started until this is complete.
> > +
> > +\change_inserted 0 1266504385
> > + Note that a barrier does not flush caches in the underlying backend device
> > + in host, and thus does not serve as data consistency guarantee.
> > + Driver must use FLUSH request to flush the host cache.
> > +\change_unchanged
> 
> I'm not sure it's even worth documenting it.  I can't see any way to
> actually implement safe behaviour with the VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER-style
> barriers.

lguest seems to still use this.
I guess if you have a reliable host, VIRTIO_BLK_T_BARRIER is enough?

> Btw, did I mention that .lyx is a a really horrible format to review
> diffs for?  Plain latex would be a lot better..

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-05-04 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-18 22:22 [PATCH] virtio-spec: document block CMD and FLUSH Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-02-18 22:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-19 21:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-19 21:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-19 21:26   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-28 15:52   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-28 15:52     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-28 15:52   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-20  1:46 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-04-20  1:46   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-20 13:22   ` Paul Brook
2010-04-20 13:22   ` Paul Brook
2010-04-20 13:22     ` Paul Brook
2010-04-21 10:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-21 10:39       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-21 10:39     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 18:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 19:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 19:01       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 19:01     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-04-20  1:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04  4:38 ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-04  4:38 ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-04  4:38   ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2010-05-04  6:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-04  6:56     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-05-04  8:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-04  8:34     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2010-05-04  8:34   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-04  8:41   ` Jens Axboe
2010-05-04  8:41     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jens Axboe
2010-05-04 20:17     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04 20:17     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04 20:17       ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-05  4:58       ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-05  4:58       ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-05  4:58         ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-05  6:03         ` Neil Brown
2010-05-05  6:03         ` Neil Brown
2010-05-05  6:03           ` Neil Brown
2010-05-06  6:05           ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  6:05           ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06  6:05             ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-06 14:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-06 14:57               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-06 14:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-06 15:25         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-06 15:25         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-06 15:25           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04  8:41   ` Jens Axboe
2010-05-04 10:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 10:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 10:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 20:32   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04 20:32   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04 20:32     ` Jamie Lokier
2010-05-04 18:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 18:54   ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2010-05-04 18:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:56   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-05-04 18:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:58       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-04 18:58     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-05  5:00   ` Rusty Russell
2010-05-05  5:00     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2010-05-05  5:00   ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-02-18 22:22 Michael S. Tsirkin

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