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From: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Tom Lyon <pugs@cisco.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	chrisw@sous-sol.org, hjk@linutronix.de, gregkh@suse.de,
	aafabbri@cisco.com, scofeldm@cisco.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:46:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100602174615.GV8301@sequoia.sous-sol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100602121927.GA11162@8bytes.org>

* Joerg Roedel (joro@8bytes.org) wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 02:21:00PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:12:25PM +0200, Joerg Roedel wrote:
> 
> > > Even if it is bound to a domain the userspace driver could program the
> > > device to do dma to unmapped regions causing io-page-faults. The kernel
> > > can't do anything about it.
> > 
> > It can always corrupt its own memory directly as well :)
> > But that is not a reason not to detect errors if we can,
> > and not to make APIs hard to misuse.
> 
> Changing the domain of a device while dma can happen is the same type of
> bug as unmapping potential dma target addresses. We can't catch this
> kind of misuse.
> 
> > > > With 10 devices you have 10 extra ioctls.
> > > 
> > > And this works implicitly with your proposal?
> > 
> > Yes.  so you do:
> > iommu = open
> > ioctl(dev1, BIND, iommu)
> > ioctl(dev2, BIND, iommu)
> > ioctl(dev3, BIND, iommu)
> > ioctl(dev4, BIND, iommu)
> > 
> > No need to add a SHARE ioctl.
> 
> In my proposal this looks like:
> 
> 
> dev1 = open();
> ioctl(dev2, SHARE, dev1);
> ioctl(dev3, SHARE, dev1);
> ioctl(dev4, SHARE, dev1);
> 
> So we actually save an ioctl.

This is not any hot path, so saving an ioctl shouldn't be a consideration.
Only important consideration is a good API.  I may have lost context here,
but the SHARE API is limited to the vfio fd.  The BIND API expects a new
iommu object.  Are there other uses for this object?  Tom's current vfio
driver exposes a dma mapping interface, would the iommu object expose
one as well?  Current interface is device specific DMA interface for
host device drivers typically mapping in-flight dma buffers, and IOMMU
specific interface for assigned devices typically mapping entire virtual
address space.

thanks,
-chris

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-02 17:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-28 23:07 [PATCH] VFIO driver: Non-privileged user level PCI drivers Tom Lyon
2010-05-28 23:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-28 23:56 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-05-29 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-05-29 12:16   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:27   ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 12:49     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:01       ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 13:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 13:13           ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-30 14:53             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-31 11:50               ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:10                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01  8:10                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01  9:55                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 10:28                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-01 10:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-01 12:41                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:45                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:49                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:04                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:09                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:21                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 16:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2010-06-06 13:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 10:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:26                                 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-01 21:26                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  2:59                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  5:29                               ` Chris Wright
2010-06-02  5:40                                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  4:29                         ` Alex Williamson
2010-06-02  4:59                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02  5:08                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:42                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02  9:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02  9:53                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:19                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:21                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:35                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 10:38                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 11:12                                   ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 11:21                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 12:19                                       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:25                                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 12:50                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:06                                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-02 13:53                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 13:17                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 14:01                                               ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 12:34                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 13:02                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-02 17:46                                         ` Chris Wright [this message]
2010-06-02 18:09                                           ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-02 19:46                                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-06-03  6:23                                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-03 21:41                                             ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-06  9:54                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-07 19:01                                                 ` Tom Lyon
2010-06-08 21:22                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-06-02 10:44                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-05-30 12:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-31 17:17 ` Alan Cox
2010-06-01 21:29   ` Tom Lyon

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