selinux testsuite

selinux testsuite

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using

	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite

The README shows how to run.

Many thanks to Stephen for keeping it running so nicely and allowing me
to post it.  I intend to test against Fedora regularly-ish, and to start
seeing how best to nudge it to work against Debian and Ubuntu in the next
month or so.

-serge

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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

Hi Serge,

On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> 
> 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite

Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD

As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.

So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
please let me know:

     1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
        LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
        be done and replaced with your tree contents,
     2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
        retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,

Regards--
Subrata

> 
> The README shows how to run.
> 
> Many thanks to Stephen for keeping it running so nicely and allowing me
> to post it.  I intend to test against Fedora regularly-ish, and to start
> seeing how best to nudge it to work against Debian and Ubuntu in the next
> month or so.
> 
> -serge
> 
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Re: selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

Hi Serge,

On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> 
> 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite

Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD

As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.

So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
please let me know:

     1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
        LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
        be done and replaced with your tree contents,
     2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
        retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,

Regards--
Subrata

> 
> The README shows how to run.
> 
> Many thanks to Stephen for keeping it running so nicely and allowing me
> to post it.  I intend to test against Fedora regularly-ish, and to start
> seeing how best to nudge it to work against Debian and Ubuntu in the next
> month or so.
> 
> -serge
> 
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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> Hi Serge,
> 
> On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > 
> > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> 
> Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> 
> As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> 
> So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> please let me know:
> 
>      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
>         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
>         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
>      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
>         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,

The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.

-- 
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National Security Agency


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Re: selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> Hi Serge,
> 
> On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > 
> > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> 
> Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> 
> As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> 
> So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> please let me know:
> 
>      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
>         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
>         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
>      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
>         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,

The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > Hi Serge,
> > 
> > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > 
> > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > 
> > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > 
> > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > 
> > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > please let me know:
> > 
> >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> 
> The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.

Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))

Regards--
Subrata

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Re: selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > Hi Serge,
> > 
> > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > 
> > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > 
> > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > 
> > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > 
> > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > please let me know:
> > 
> >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> 
> The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.

Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))

Regards--
Subrata

> 


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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > Hi Serge,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > 
> > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > 
> > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > 
> > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > 
> > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > please let me know:
> > > 
> > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > 
> > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> 
> Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))

I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.

-- 
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National Security Agency


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Re: selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > Hi Serge,
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > 
> > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > 
> > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > 
> > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > 
> > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > please let me know:
> > > 
> > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > 
> > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> 
> Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))

I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.

-- 
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National Security Agency


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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > 
> > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > 
> > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > 
> > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > please let me know:
> > > > 
> > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > 
> > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > 
> > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> 
> I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.

I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.

So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
automated testing?

If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.

Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
the real maintenance cost.

If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.

-serge

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Re: selinux testsuite

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > 
> > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > 
> > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > 
> > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > please let me know:
> > > > 
> > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > 
> > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > 
> > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> 
> I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.

I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.

So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
automated testing?

If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.

Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
the real maintenance cost.

If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.

-serge

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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > 
> > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > 
> > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > 
> > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > 
> > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> 
> I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> 
> So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> automated testing?
> 
> If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> 
> Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> the real maintenance cost.
> 
> If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.

(cc'd Jeff Burke as I know he has run the ltp selinux tests in the past
on RHEL and has contributed patches in the past)

Jeff - see above for context.  Do you still run the ltp selinux tests on
a regular basis?  Are you interested in helping to maintain them and
ideally to better integrate them into the LTP so that they will be run
by default (if SELinux is enabled) and exercised by the regular ltp
maintainers?  Or are you just as happy to clone the separate standalone
selinux testsuite and run that as part of QA, separate from ltp testing?

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Re: selinux testsuite

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > 
> > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > 
> > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > 
> > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > 
> > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> 
> I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> 
> So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> automated testing?
> 
> If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> 
> Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> the real maintenance cost.
> 
> If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.

(cc'd Jeff Burke as I know he has run the ltp selinux tests in the past
on RHEL and has contributed patches in the past)

Jeff - see above for context.  Do you still run the ltp selinux tests on
a regular basis?  Are you interested in helping to maintain them and
ideally to better integrate them into the LTP so that they will be run
by default (if SELinux is enabled) and exercised by the regular ltp
maintainers?  Or are you just as happy to clone the separate standalone
selinux testsuite and run that as part of QA, separate from ltp testing?

-- 
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National Security Agency


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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Garrett Cooper]

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 7:50 AM, Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
>> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
>> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
>> > > > > Hi Serge,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
>> > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
>> > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >     git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
>> > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
>> > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
>> > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
>> > > > > please let me know:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
>> > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
>> > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
>> > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
>> > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
>> > > >
>> > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
>> > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
>> > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
>> > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
>> > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
>> > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
>> > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
>> > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
>> > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
>> > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
>> > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
>> >
>> > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
>> > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
>> > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
>> > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
>> > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
>> > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
>>
>> I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
>> the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
>>
>> So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
>> automated testing?
>>
>> If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
>> with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
>>
>> Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
>> updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
>> to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
>> the real maintenance cost.
>>
>> If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
>> to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
>> to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.
>
> (cc'd Jeff Burke as I know he has run the ltp selinux tests in the past
> on RHEL and has contributed patches in the past)
>
> Jeff - see above for context.  Do you still run the ltp selinux tests on
> a regular basis?  Are you interested in helping to maintain them and
> ideally to better integrate them into the LTP so that they will be run
> by default (if SELinux is enabled) and exercised by the regular ltp
> maintainers?  Or are you just as happy to clone the separate standalone
> selinux testsuite and run that as part of QA, separate from ltp testing?

    I'll do my best to assist as a resource too for you guys in the
integration effort.
Thanks,
-Garrett

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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 10:50 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > > 
> > > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> > 
> > I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> > the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> > 
> > So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> > automated testing?
> > 
> > If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> > with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> > 
> > Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> > updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> > to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> > the real maintenance cost.
> > 
> > If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> > to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> > to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.
> 
> (cc'd Jeff Burke as I know he has run the ltp selinux tests in the past
> on RHEL and has contributed patches in the past)
> 
> Jeff - see above for context.  Do you still run the ltp selinux tests on
> a regular basis?  Are you interested in helping to maintain them and
> ideally to better integrate them into the LTP so that they will be run
> by default (if SELinux is enabled) and exercised by the regular ltp

I would prefer integrating it in the default LTP run. And then run it if
SELinux is enabled. That way everybody would probably execute SELinux in
their regular test cycle and report issues, helping us in addressing and
keeping these tests alive.

Regards--
Subrata

> maintainers?  Or are you just as happy to clone the separate standalone
> selinux testsuite and run that as part of QA, separate from ltp testing?
> 


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Re: selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 10:50 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > > 
> > > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> > 
> > I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> > the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> > 
> > So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> > automated testing?
> > 
> > If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> > with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> > 
> > Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> > updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> > to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> > the real maintenance cost.
> > 
> > If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> > to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> > to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.
> 
> (cc'd Jeff Burke as I know he has run the ltp selinux tests in the past
> on RHEL and has contributed patches in the past)
> 
> Jeff - see above for context.  Do you still run the ltp selinux tests on
> a regular basis?  Are you interested in helping to maintain them and
> ideally to better integrate them into the LTP so that they will be run
> by default (if SELinux is enabled) and exercised by the regular ltp

I would prefer integrating it in the default LTP run. And then run it if
SELinux is enabled. That way everybody would probably execute SELinux in
their regular test cycle and report issues, helping us in addressing and
keeping these tests alive.

Regards--
Subrata

> maintainers?  Or are you just as happy to clone the separate standalone
> selinux testsuite and run that as part of QA, separate from ltp testing?
> 


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Re: [LTP] selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > 
> > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > 
> > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > 
> > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > 
> > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> 
> I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> 
> So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> automated testing?

Yes, there are teams which still use LTP SELinux on Enterprise Distro
testing.

Regards--
Subrata

> 
> If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> 
> Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> the real maintenance cost.
> 
> If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.
> 
> -serge
> 
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Re: selinux testsuite

[Subrata Modak]

On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 14:53 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Stephen Smalley (sds@tycho.nsa.gov):
> > On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 22:36 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 10:52 -0400, Stephen Smalley wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 17:43 +0530, Subrata Modak wrote:
> > > > > Hi Serge,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 14:52 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > > > > > Just a little note to announce that the selinux testsuite is now up as a
> > > > > > git tree at kernel.org.  You can fetch it using
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/tests/selinux-testsuite
> > > > > 
> > > > > Great. So, how far does it differ from that we have in LTP ?
> > > > > http://ltp.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=ltp/ltp-dev.git;a=tree;f=testcases/kernel/security/selinux-testsuite;h=066df4cdf2f8a80a0045e338b4bb2bf0f5d37091;hb=HEAD
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you, Stephen and others in SELinux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> were the
> > > > > main contributors to the SELinux test(s) in LTP, i guess the next/future
> > > > > development for SELinux tests will be happening in the new tree.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, i would rather keep pulling to LTP from your tree. Now, could you
> > > > > please let me know:
> > > > > 
> > > > >      1. Whether the new tree contains all scenarios which is present in
> > > > >         LTP. In such a case a complete pruning of LTP SELinux tests can
> > > > >         be done and replaced with your tree contents,
> > > > >      2. If some of the LTP tests are not there, then i would like to
> > > > >         retain them in LTP side-by-side your tree contents,
> > > > 
> > > > The new tree contains all of the selinux tests present in the LTP.  You
> > > > cannot however simply replace the ltp version of the tests with this
> > > > tree, as this tree is a standalone testsuite and will not run within the
> > > > ltp test harness. This testsuite is based on the original standalone
> > > > selinux testsuite that was contributed by us to IBM to port to the LTP.
> > > > We have internally maintained this testsuite in parallel to the ltp
> > > > version as we have found it easier to set up, use, debug, and maintain.
> > > 
> > > Thanks Stephen. Since you have maintained the Original-One Internally
> > > and have simultaneously contributed changes to the LTP-version of
> > > SELinux, i am depending on you/Serge/SELinux-Mailing-List-members to
> > > keep sending patches to LTP to update the LTP-version at regular
> > > intervals (off-course at your convenience ;-))
> > 
> > I think that will depend on whether there is some benefit to maintaining
> > the ltp version.  We might derive some benefit if the ltp selinux
> > testsuite were better integrated (e.g. tests run by default if SELinux
> > is enabled on the host) and if the tests got some regular attention from
> > the ltp maintainers.  Otherwise, it may be better to just remove the
> > tests from the ltp and point people to the standalone version.
> 
> I don't object to the tests being maintained in LTP.  But so far, AFAICS,
> the cost of maintaining in LTP far outweighs the benefits.
> 
> So I'd like to know, does anyone (IBM?) *use* the version in LTP for
> automated testing?

Yes, there are teams which still use LTP SELinux on Enterprise Distro
testing.

Regards--
Subrata

> 
> If not, heck we could replace ltp/testcases/kernel/security/selinux/*
> with a script that git clones the testsuite and runs it.
> 
> Mind you it's not the selinux tests per se - it's the random bulk LTP
> updates which then break selinux tests, or worse, the autoconf cruft
> to try to detect whether the user wants selinux tests - which constitute
> the real maintenance cost.
> 
> If someone who uses the LTP selinux tests could step up and offer
> to periodically run the tests and work with (me and) the community
> to push fixes, I'll be happy to help out.
> 
> -serge
> 
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