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From: Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: stable? quality assurance?
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:30:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201007131230.23039.Martin@lichtvoll.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C3B9F56.5090806@s5r6.in-berlin.de>

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Am Dienstag 13 Juli 2010 schrieb Stefan Richter:
> ...
> 
> > Is the Linux kernel development really in balance with feature work
> > and  stabilization work? Currently at least from my personal
> > perception it is not. Development goes that fast - can you all cope
> > with that speed? Maybe its just time to slow it down a bit?
> 
> If those who added the regressions are found out and asked to debug and
> fix them, the balance should be corrected and perhaps more precautions
> being taken in the future.  Alas, finding the point in history at which
> the kernel regressed might take a lot more time than to actually fix it
> then.  In that case, maybe give the author of the bug an estimate of
> the volunteered hours that were spent on reporting this bug, to put
> the repercussions into it into perspective.  OTOH I suspect a lack of
> responsibility at the developers is not so much an issue here, more so
> that the number of people who take the time for -rc tests (not to
> mention linux-next tests) and to file reports is rather low.  Plus, a
> good bug report often requires experience or good intuition, besides
> patience and rigor.
> 
> There were discussions in the past on how more enthusiasts who are
> willing and able to test prereleases could be attracted.  But maybe
> (just maybe) there are more ways in which the developers themselves
> could perform more extensive/ more systematic tests.

Well I reported it now, although it contains not nearly as much 
information on how to reproduce it or any other debug information either. 
I just did not report it before cause I didn't find the information I can 
provide very helpful and until yesterday I thought it might just have been 
these two freezes and thats it. But maybe report it early is better than 
not to report it at all.
 
Bug 16376 -  random - possibly Radeon DRM KMS related - freezes
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16376

I will look in the logs whether I might have luck and find anything this 
afternoon when my students learn vi/vim, but I doubt it.

Ciao,
-- 
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-13 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-11  7:18 stable? quality assurance? Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11  8:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-11 14:22   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 14:52     ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 15:58   ` William Pitcock
2010-07-11 16:34     ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-16  6:59     ` Greg KH
2010-08-05  3:27       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-07-11 17:04   ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-11 13:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-11 18:02   ` Anca Emanuel
2010-07-12  6:46   ` David Newall
     [not found]     ` <AANLkTilGjfx9sb66qVfZn1SeFPURHUrrdE7JCrild8VX@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:35       ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 12:42         ` Alexey Dobriyan
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTik64lxDiCN-eRo3i_-cTqAvCzbaRI4EEXoD44Vj@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:52             ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 14:57           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-07-12 15:56       ` David Newall
2010-07-12 17:48         ` Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 18:00         ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:58           ` David Newall
2010-07-12 21:11             ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 21:39             ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 22:44               ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-15  7:23             ` david
2010-07-13 16:50         ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-13 20:45           ` David Newall
2010-07-14  6:33             ` Theodore Tso
2010-09-04 17:12   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 13:56 ` Lee Mathers
2010-07-11 14:51   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 17:22     ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-11 21:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-07-12  4:17         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12  9:56       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 15:43       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 17:36         ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 19:56           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 23:03             ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 10:30               ` Martin Steigerwald [this message]
2010-07-15  7:32               ` david
2010-07-12 17:55         ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 16:38       ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 18:46         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-04 19:11           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 23:23             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05  7:59               ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 19:24         ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 19:34           ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 20:21           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 22:50             ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 23:16             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05  8:35         ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-05  9:48           ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 19:49     ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 11:11     ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 12:50       ` rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was Re: stable? quality assurance?) Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 15:35         ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 18:19           ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:38             ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 19:07               ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:06         ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 19:18           ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:46 ` stable? quality assurance? Nix
     [not found] ` <AANLkTimEdVsmIgXBbmhsq75ElQvGAI8avsM8-wlDpm4z@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-15  9:09   ` Valeo de Vries
2010-07-16  7:00     ` Greg KH
2010-07-16  7:19       ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-07-16 15:25       ` Randy Dunlap
2010-07-16 15:34       ` Valeo de Vries
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-04 16:42 Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-09-04 19:33   ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 20:19     ` Willy Tarreau

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