From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>
Cc: Marcin Letyns <mletyns@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: stable? quality assurance?
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 10:57:33 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <66102.1278946653@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:42:32 +0300." <AANLkTinipHGBXVkKXHmbCdUM8tYOTAXEDrvcO-99kL81@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:42:32 +0300, Alexey Dobriyan said:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Marcin Letyns <mletyns@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Last time I tried freebsd it wasn't stable. It had problems with my hard
> > drive controler.
>
> This thread needs more anecdotal evidence.
To be fair, the continual re-appearance of this thread is *always* anecdotal.
It's always somebody who has trouble getting it to work on *their* hardware, or
with *their* software, and insisting that stuff doesn't get shipped unless it
works properly on everything. Apparently, having it work on 99.997% of the
gear out there isn't good enough for them. Then there's the inevitable call
for "no shipping with blocker bugs" - never with a good objective definition of
what constitutes a "blocker" bug.
Ted had it right - you insist on fixing *everything*, you end up with
Debian Obsolete. It's the nature of the beast - you *will* detect regressions
at something resembling an exponential-decay curve. The only question that remains is
how close to zero it has to decay before the ship date - and there's no single
answer for that which fits everybody. One point to note is that if you ship
earlier, the decay rate increases because of wider deployment. As a result,
it's quite probable that you get to some objective level of "stable" faster
by releasing early and then releasing a half-dozen dot releases, instead of
waiting for the 3 or 4 dozen people testing it before release to shake out all
the bugs (which obviously won't happen due to things like access to hardware).
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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-11 7:18 stable? quality assurance? Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 8:39 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-11 14:22 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 14:52 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 15:58 ` William Pitcock
2010-07-11 16:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2010-07-16 6:59 ` Greg KH
2010-08-05 3:27 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2010-07-11 17:04 ` Heinz Diehl
2010-07-11 13:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-07-11 18:02 ` Anca Emanuel
2010-07-12 6:46 ` David Newall
[not found] ` <AANLkTilGjfx9sb66qVfZn1SeFPURHUrrdE7JCrild8VX@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:35 ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 12:42 ` Alexey Dobriyan
[not found] ` <AANLkTik64lxDiCN-eRo3i_-cTqAvCzbaRI4EEXoD44Vj@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-12 12:52 ` Fwd: " Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 14:57 ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2010-07-12 15:56 ` David Newall
2010-07-12 17:48 ` Marcin Letyns
2010-07-12 18:00 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:58 ` David Newall
2010-07-12 21:11 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 21:39 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 22:44 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-15 7:23 ` david
2010-07-13 16:50 ` Theodore Tso
2010-07-13 20:45 ` David Newall
2010-07-14 6:33 ` Theodore Tso
2010-09-04 17:12 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 13:56 ` Lee Mathers
2010-07-11 14:51 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-11 21:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-07-12 4:17 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 9:56 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 15:43 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 17:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-07-12 19:56 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-12 23:03 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 10:30 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-15 7:32 ` david
2010-07-12 17:55 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 16:38 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 18:46 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-04 19:11 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 23:23 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05 7:59 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 19:24 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 19:34 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 20:21 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 22:50 ` Stefan Richter
2010-09-04 23:16 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-09-05 8:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-09-05 9:48 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-07-11 19:49 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 11:11 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 12:50 ` rt2x00: slow wifi with correct basic rate bitmap (was Re: stable? quality assurance?) Stefan Richter
2010-07-13 15:35 ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 18:19 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:38 ` John W. Linville
2010-07-13 19:07 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 18:06 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2010-07-13 19:18 ` Stefan Richter
2010-07-12 19:46 ` stable? quality assurance? Nix
[not found] ` <AANLkTimEdVsmIgXBbmhsq75ElQvGAI8avsM8-wlDpm4z@mail.gmail.com>
2010-07-15 9:09 ` Valeo de Vries
2010-07-16 7:00 ` Greg KH
2010-07-16 7:19 ` Justin P. Mattock
2010-07-16 15:25 ` Randy Dunlap
2010-07-16 15:34 ` Valeo de Vries
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2010-09-04 16:42 Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 17:22 ` Willy Tarreau
2010-09-04 19:33 ` Martin Steigerwald
2010-09-04 20:19 ` Willy Tarreau
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