From: "Roedel, Joerg" <Joerg.Roedel@amd.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>,
"stepanm@codeaurora.org" <stepanm@codeaurora.org>,
"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
"linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org>,
"dwalker@codeaurora.org" <dwalker@codeaurora.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] arm: msm: Add System MMU support.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:40:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100729084018.GM26098@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201007291026.55928.arnd@arndb.de>
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 04:26:55AM -0400, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday 29 July 2010 05:35:48 FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > >
> > > From what I have been able to tell, the IOMMU interface was written by
> > > AMD/Intel to allow the kvm code to work with a common IOMMU interface. To
> >
> > Don't confuse the IOMMU interface with the DMA API that Arnd
> > mentioned.
> >
> > They are not related at all.
Thats not 100% true. They are not strictly related, but they are related
as they may use the same backend kernel drivers to provide their
functionality. Both APIs exist for different purposes, of course.
> Exactly, thanks for the clarification. I also didn't realize that there
> is now an include/linux/iommu.h file that only describes the PCI SR-IOV
> interfaces, unlike the generic IOMMU support that we have in your
> include/linux/dma-mapping.h file.
The IOMMU-API is not about SR-IOV. It is about the capabilities of
modern IOMMU hardware that we can not provide to the kernel with the
DMA-API such as the ability to choose ourself at which io-virtual
address a given cpu physical address should be mapped.
Also I wouldn't call the DMA-API an IOMMU interface. The API does not
depend on an IOMMU which is an important difference to the IOMMU-API.
The IOMMU-API is probably not generic enough to handle all kinds of
IOMMUs but its closer to a generic IOMMU-API than the DMA-API.
Joerg
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From: Joerg.Roedel@amd.com (Roedel, Joerg)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] arm: msm: Add System MMU support.
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:40:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100729084018.GM26098@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201007291026.55928.arnd@arndb.de>
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 04:26:55AM -0400, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday 29 July 2010 05:35:48 FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > >
> > > From what I have been able to tell, the IOMMU interface was written by
> > > AMD/Intel to allow the kvm code to work with a common IOMMU interface. To
> >
> > Don't confuse the IOMMU interface with the DMA API that Arnd
> > mentioned.
> >
> > They are not related at all.
Thats not 100% true. They are not strictly related, but they are related
as they may use the same backend kernel drivers to provide their
functionality. Both APIs exist for different purposes, of course.
> Exactly, thanks for the clarification. I also didn't realize that there
> is now an include/linux/iommu.h file that only describes the PCI SR-IOV
> interfaces, unlike the generic IOMMU support that we have in your
> include/linux/dma-mapping.h file.
The IOMMU-API is not about SR-IOV. It is about the capabilities of
modern IOMMU hardware that we can not provide to the kernel with the
DMA-API such as the ability to choose ourself at which io-virtual
address a given cpu physical address should be mapped.
Also I wouldn't call the DMA-API an IOMMU interface. The API does not
depend on an IOMMU which is an important difference to the IOMMU-API.
The IOMMU-API is probably not generic enough to handle all kinds of
IOMMUs but its closer to a generic IOMMU-API than the DMA-API.
Joerg
--
Joerg Roedel - AMD Operating System Research Center
Advanced Micro Devices GmbH Einsteinring 24 85609 Dornach
General Managers: Alberto Bozzo, Andrew Bowd
Registration: Dornach, Landkr. Muenchen; Registerger. Muenchen, HRB Nr. 43632
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-29 8:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-27 22:41 [PATCH 1/2] arm: msm: Add System MMU support Stepan Moskovchenko
2010-07-27 22:41 ` Stepan Moskovchenko
2010-07-27 22:43 ` Daniel Walker
2010-07-27 22:43 ` Daniel Walker
2010-07-28 8:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-28 8:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-28 17:39 ` stepanm
2010-07-28 17:39 ` stepanm at codeaurora.org
2010-07-28 17:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-28 17:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-28 21:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-28 21:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-29 4:15 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 4:15 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 8:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 8:12 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 11:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-29 11:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-30 6:14 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-30 6:14 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 0:58 ` stepanm
2010-07-29 0:58 ` stepanm at codeaurora.org
2010-07-29 3:35 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 3:35 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 8:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 8:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 8:35 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 8:35 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 8:40 ` Roedel, Joerg [this message]
2010-07-29 8:40 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 8:46 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 8:46 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 9:06 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:06 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:14 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 9:14 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 9:25 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:25 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:28 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:28 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 9:44 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 9:44 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-07-29 10:01 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 10:01 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 11:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 11:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 12:12 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 12:12 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-29 13:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-29 13:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-30 5:19 ` stepanm
2010-07-30 5:19 ` stepanm at codeaurora.org
2010-07-30 8:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-30 8:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-30 16:25 ` stepanm
2010-07-30 16:25 ` stepanm at codeaurora.org
2010-07-30 21:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-30 21:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-30 22:58 ` stepanm
2010-07-30 22:58 ` stepanm at codeaurora.org
2010-07-31 9:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-07-31 9:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-08-02 7:58 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 7:58 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 20:29 ` Zach Pfeffer
2010-08-02 20:29 ` Zach Pfeffer
2010-08-03 9:23 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-03 9:23 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-03 18:43 ` Stepan Moskovchenko
2010-08-03 18:43 ` Stepan Moskovchenko
2010-08-04 9:52 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-04 9:52 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-31 3:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-07-31 3:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-08-02 7:48 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 7:48 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 8:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-08-02 8:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-08-02 8:10 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 8:10 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 8:30 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 8:30 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 9:03 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-08-02 9:03 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-08-02 9:20 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 9:20 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 10:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-08-02 10:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-08-02 15:26 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 15:26 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-08-02 9:45 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 9:45 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 8:35 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-08-02 8:35 ` Roedel, Joerg
2010-07-31 2:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-07-31 2:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
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