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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:59:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100817095917.GM19797@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=wtAAaW4HoU7Oee=gNuM_t1hvf9sAK7RGRJ1AQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:21:15AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi, Mel.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
> > When allocating a page, the system uses NR_FREE_PAGES counters to determine
> > if watermarks would remain intact after the allocation was made. This
> > check is made without interrupts disabled or the zone lock held and so is
> > race-prone by nature. Unfortunately, when pages are being freed in batch,
> > the counters are updated before the pages are added on the list. During this
> > window, the counters are misleading as the pages do not exist yet. When
> > under significant pressure on systems with large numbers of CPUs, it's
> > possible for processes to make progress even though they should have been
> > stalled. This is particularly problematic if a number of the processes are
> > using GFP_ATOMIC as the min watermark can be accidentally breached and in
> > extreme cases, the system can livelock.
> >
> > This patch updates the counters after the pages have been added to the
> > list. This makes the allocator more cautious with respect to preserving
> > the watermarks and mitigates livelock possibilities.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
> Reviewed-by: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
> 
> Page free path looks good by your patch.
> 

Thanks

> Now allocation path decrease NR_FREE_PAGES _after_ it remove pages from buddy.
> It can make that actually we don't have enough pages in buddy but
> pretend to have enough pages.
> It could make same situation with free path which is your concern.
> So I think it can confuse watermark check in extreme case.
> 
> So don't we need to consider _allocation_ path with conservative?
> 

I considered it and it would be desirable. The downside was that the
paths became more complicated. Take rmqueue_bulk() for example. It could
start by modifying the counters but there then needs to be a recovery
path if all the requested pages were not allocated.

It'd be nice to see if these patches on their own were enough to
alleviate the worst of the per-cpu-counter drift before adding new
branches to the allocation path.

Does that make sense?

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-17  9:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-16  9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:04   ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 15:26   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17  2:21   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17  9:59     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-08-17 14:25       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  2:21   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:43   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47     ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17  2:26       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01           ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  8:51           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19  8:06               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01                     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34                         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22                             ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40                               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44                                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  2:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19  0:07       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-20  0:22             ` [PATCH] vmstat : update zone stat threshold at onlining a cpu KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-20 14:54               ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-20 17:29                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-23  7:18               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16  9:42 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:50   ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-17  2:57   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18  3:02   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 14:47   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:10     ` Mel Gorman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-23  8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-08-23  8:00   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:47   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 12:47     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 18:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01  7:10     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01  7:10       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 23:27   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-31 23:27     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-03  9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-09-03  9:08   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:38   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 22:38     ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-05 18:06     ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-05 18:06       ` Mel Gorman

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