From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:55:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100823135559.GS19797@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008230838320.5750@router.home>
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:41:56AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
>
> > > The delta of the counters could also be reduced to increase accuracy.
> > > See refresh_zone_stat_thresholds().
> > True, but I thought that would introduce a constant performance penalty
> > for a corner case which I didn't like.
>
> Sure, an increased frequency of updates would increase the chance of
> bouncing cachelines. But the bouncing cacheline scenario for the vm
> counters was tuned for applications that continually allocate pages in
> parallel.
>
> When the vm gets into a state where continual reclaim is necessary then
> the counters are not that frequently updated. If the machine is already
> slowing down due to reclaim then the vm can likely affort more frequent
> counter updates.
>
Ok, but is that better than this patch? Decreasing the size of the window by
reducing the threshold still leaves a window. There is still a small amount
of drift by summing up all the deltas but you get a much more accurate count
at the point of time it was important to know.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 14:55:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100823135559.GS19797@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008230838320.5750@router.home>
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 08:41:56AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2010, Mel Gorman wrote:
>
> > > The delta of the counters could also be reduced to increase accuracy.
> > > See refresh_zone_stat_thresholds().
> > True, but I thought that would introduce a constant performance penalty
> > for a corner case which I didn't like.
>
> Sure, an increased frequency of updates would increase the chance of
> bouncing cachelines. But the bouncing cacheline scenario for the vm
> counters was tuned for applications that continually allocate pages in
> parallel.
>
> When the vm gets into a state where continual reclaim is necessary then
> the counters are not that frequently updated. If the machine is already
> slowing down due to reclaim then the vm can likely affort more frequent
> counter updates.
>
Ok, but is that better than this patch? Decreasing the size of the window by
reducing the threshold still leaves a window. There is still a small amount
of drift by summing up all the deltas but you get a much more accurate count
at the point of time it was important to know.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-23 13:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-23 8:00 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: page allocator: Update free page counters after pages are placed on the free list Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 12:47 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 8:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 12:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 12:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:03 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:03 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:55 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-08-23 13:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 16:13 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 16:13 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: page allocator: Drain per-cpu lists after direct reclaim allocation fails Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 8:00 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 23:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-23 23:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-23 12:45 ` [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V2 Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 12:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-23 13:39 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-23 13:39 ` Mel Gorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-09-03 9:08 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V4 Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 9:08 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 9:08 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-03 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 23:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-03 23:28 ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-04 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-04 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-05 18:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-05 18:12 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 [PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator V3 Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 17:37 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-31 23:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-31 23:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 7:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01 7:24 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01 7:33 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 7:33 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-01 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-01 20:34 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-01 20:34 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 0:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 0:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 0:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:43 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-02 0:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 0:49 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-09-02 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:42 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Reduce watermark-related problems with the per-cpu allocator Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:42 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: page allocator: Calculate a better estimate of NR_FREE_PAGES when memory is low and kswapd is awake Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 9:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-16 14:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-16 16:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 2:26 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 15:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-17 15:05 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 10:16 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-17 11:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-17 14:20 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18 8:51 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-18 14:57 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 8:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 10:33 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:01 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 14:09 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 14:34 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:07 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:22 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:40 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 15:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 15:46 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-19 16:06 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-19 16:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-18 2:59 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-18 15:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 0:07 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-19 19:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-08-19 23:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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