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From: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Kosaki Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@google.com>,
	Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mlock: avoid dirtying pages and triggering writeback
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:03:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101118110301.GA16625@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117165309.fa859fd3.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:53:09PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:52:30 -0500
> "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:11:43AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > I don't think ->page_mkwrite can be worked around - we need that to
> > > be called on the first write fault of any mmap()d page to ensure it
> > > is set up correctly for writeback.  If we don't get write faults
> > > after the page is mlock()d, then we need the ->page_mkwrite() call
> > > during the mlock() call.
> > 
> > OK, so I'm not an mm hacker, so maybe I'm missing something.  Could
> > part of this be fixed by simply sending the write faults for
> > mlock()'ed pages, so page_mkwrite() gets called when the page is
> > dirtied.  Seems like a real waste to have the file system pre-allocate
> > all of the blocks for a mlock()'ed region.  Why does mlock() have to
> > result in the write faults getting suppressed when the page is
> > actually dirtied?

This is actually what the patch does - by having mlock() use a read fault,
pages are loaded in memory and mlocked, but the ptes are not marked as
writable so that a later write access will be caught as a write fault at
that time (with all the usual dirtying and page_mkwrite() callbacks).

> Yup, I don't think it would be too bad to take a minor fault each time
> an mlocked page transitions from clean->dirty.
> 
> In fact we should already be doing that, after the mlocked page gets
> written back by kupdate?  Hope so!

Yes, handle_mm_fault() is careful to never create writable ptes pointing
to clean file pages, so that a later write fault will correctly dirty
the corresponding page.

-- 
Michel "Walken" Lespinasse
A program is never fully debugged until the last user dies.

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From: Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>, Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Kosaki Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@google.com>,
	Michael Rubin <mrubin@google.com>,
	Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mlock: avoid dirtying pages and triggering writeback
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 03:03:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101118110301.GA16625@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117165309.fa859fd3.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:53:09PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:52:30 -0500
> "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 10:11:43AM +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > I don't think ->page_mkwrite can be worked around - we need that to
> > > be called on the first write fault of any mmap()d page to ensure it
> > > is set up correctly for writeback.  If we don't get write faults
> > > after the page is mlock()d, then we need the ->page_mkwrite() call
> > > during the mlock() call.
> > 
> > OK, so I'm not an mm hacker, so maybe I'm missing something.  Could
> > part of this be fixed by simply sending the write faults for
> > mlock()'ed pages, so page_mkwrite() gets called when the page is
> > dirtied.  Seems like a real waste to have the file system pre-allocate
> > all of the blocks for a mlock()'ed region.  Why does mlock() have to
> > result in the write faults getting suppressed when the page is
> > actually dirtied?

This is actually what the patch does - by having mlock() use a read fault,
pages are loaded in memory and mlocked, but the ptes are not marked as
writable so that a later write access will be caught as a write fault at
that time (with all the usual dirtying and page_mkwrite() callbacks).

> Yup, I don't think it would be too bad to take a minor fault each time
> an mlocked page transitions from clean->dirty.
> 
> In fact we should already be doing that, after the mlocked page gets
> written back by kupdate?  Hope so!

Yes, handle_mm_fault() is careful to never create writable ptes pointing
to clean file pages, so that a later write fault will correctly dirty
the corresponding page.

-- 
Michel "Walken" Lespinasse
A program is never fully debugged until the last user dies.

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-18 11:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 12:23 [PATCH 0/3] Avoid dirtying pages during mlock Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23 ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23 ` [PATCH 1/3] do_wp_page: remove the 'reuse' flag Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23   ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23 ` [PATCH 2/3] do_wp_page: clarify dirty_page handling Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23   ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23 ` [PATCH 3/3] mlock: avoid dirtying pages and triggering writeback Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:23   ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 12:57   ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-17 12:57     ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-17 15:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 15:28       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:05       ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 22:05         ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 22:18         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 22:18           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-11-17 23:11         ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17 23:11           ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17 23:31           ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-17 23:31             ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-19  1:46             ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-19  1:46               ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-17 23:52           ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-17 23:52             ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18  0:53             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  0:53               ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 11:03               ` Michel Lespinasse [this message]
2010-11-18 11:03                 ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-18 13:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 13:37             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:41             ` Hugh Dickins
2010-11-18 17:41               ` Hugh Dickins
2010-11-19  7:23               ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-19  7:23                 ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-19 13:38                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 13:42                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 13:42                   ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 15:06                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 22:54                 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19 22:54                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19 23:22                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 23:22                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-20  0:29                     ` Dustin Kirkland
2010-11-19 23:31                   ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-19 23:31                     ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-19 23:54                 ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-19 23:54                   ` Dave Chinner
2010-11-18  5:46       ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18  5:46         ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-18 10:43         ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-18 10:43           ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-18 13:39           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 13:39             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 18:00             ` Hugh Dickins
2010-11-18 18:00               ` Hugh Dickins

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