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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] mm: compaction: Use the LRU to get a hint on where compaction should start
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101119110808.GD28613@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118184659.GD30376@random.random>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:46:59PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:22:48PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > +	if (!cc->migrate_pfn)
> > +		cc->migrate_pfn = zone->zone_start_pfn;
> 
> wouldn't it remove a branch if the caller always set migrate_pfn?
> 

If try_to_compact_pages() used it, it would migrate old pages and then
later enter direct reclaim where it reclaimed the pages it just
migrated. It was double work. That said, I neglected to check if
migration affects the age of pages. Offhand, I think it does so the
problem wouldn't apply so it was flawed reasoning.

> > +	if (!cc->free_pfn) {
> > +		cc->free_pfn = zone->zone_start_pfn + zone->spanned_pages;
> > +		cc->free_pfn &= ~(pageblock_nr_pages-1);
> > +	}
> 
> Who sets free_pfn to zero? Previously this was always initialized.
> 

Initialised on stack.

> > @@ -523,7 +539,23 @@ unsigned long reclaimcompact_zone_order(struct zone *zone,
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.freepages);
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.migratepages);
> >  
> > -	return compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +	/* Get a hint on where to start compacting from the LRU */
> > +	anon_page = lru_to_page(&zone->lru[LRU_BASE + LRU_INACTIVE_ANON].list);
> > +	file_page = lru_to_page(&zone->lru[LRU_BASE + LRU_INACTIVE_FILE].list);
> > +	cc.migrate_pfn = min(page_to_pfn(anon_page), page_to_pfn(file_page));
> > +	cc.migrate_pfn = ALIGN(cc.migrate_pfn, pageblock_nr_pages);
> > +	start_migrate_pfn = cc.migrate_pfn;
> > +
> > +	ret = compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +
> > +	/* Restart migration from the start of zone if the hint did not work */
> > +	if (!zone_watermark_ok(zone, cc.order, low_wmark_pages(zone), 0, 0)) {
> > +		cc.migrate_pfn = 0;
> > +		cc.abort_migrate_pfn = start_migrate_pfn;
> > +		ret = compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +	}
> > +
> 
> I doubt it works ok if the list is empty... Maybe it's safer to
> validate the migrate_pfn against the zone pfn start/end before
> setting it in the migrate_pfn.
> 

You're right, this could be unsafe.

> Interesting this heuristic slowed down the benchmark, it should lead
> to the exact opposite thanks to saving some cpu. So I guess maybe it's
> not worth it. I see it increases the ratio of compaction of a tiny
> bit, but if a tiny bit of better compaction comes at the expenses of
> an increased runtime I don't like it and I'd drop it... It's not
> making enough difference, further we could extend it to check the
> "second" page in the list and so on... so we can just go blind. All it
> matters is that we use a clock algorithm and I guess this screwes it
> and this is why it leads to increased time.
> 

The variation was within the noise but yes, maybe this is not such a great
idea and the figures are not very compelling. I'm going to drop it from the
series.

Thanks

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] mm: compaction: Use the LRU to get a hint on where compaction should start
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:08:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101119110808.GD28613@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118184659.GD30376@random.random>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 07:46:59PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:22:48PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > +	if (!cc->migrate_pfn)
> > +		cc->migrate_pfn = zone->zone_start_pfn;
> 
> wouldn't it remove a branch if the caller always set migrate_pfn?
> 

If try_to_compact_pages() used it, it would migrate old pages and then
later enter direct reclaim where it reclaimed the pages it just
migrated. It was double work. That said, I neglected to check if
migration affects the age of pages. Offhand, I think it does so the
problem wouldn't apply so it was flawed reasoning.

> > +	if (!cc->free_pfn) {
> > +		cc->free_pfn = zone->zone_start_pfn + zone->spanned_pages;
> > +		cc->free_pfn &= ~(pageblock_nr_pages-1);
> > +	}
> 
> Who sets free_pfn to zero? Previously this was always initialized.
> 

Initialised on stack.

> > @@ -523,7 +539,23 @@ unsigned long reclaimcompact_zone_order(struct zone *zone,
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.freepages);
> >  	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&cc.migratepages);
> >  
> > -	return compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +	/* Get a hint on where to start compacting from the LRU */
> > +	anon_page = lru_to_page(&zone->lru[LRU_BASE + LRU_INACTIVE_ANON].list);
> > +	file_page = lru_to_page(&zone->lru[LRU_BASE + LRU_INACTIVE_FILE].list);
> > +	cc.migrate_pfn = min(page_to_pfn(anon_page), page_to_pfn(file_page));
> > +	cc.migrate_pfn = ALIGN(cc.migrate_pfn, pageblock_nr_pages);
> > +	start_migrate_pfn = cc.migrate_pfn;
> > +
> > +	ret = compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +
> > +	/* Restart migration from the start of zone if the hint did not work */
> > +	if (!zone_watermark_ok(zone, cc.order, low_wmark_pages(zone), 0, 0)) {
> > +		cc.migrate_pfn = 0;
> > +		cc.abort_migrate_pfn = start_migrate_pfn;
> > +		ret = compact_zone(zone, &cc);
> > +	}
> > +
> 
> I doubt it works ok if the list is empty... Maybe it's safer to
> validate the migrate_pfn against the zone pfn start/end before
> setting it in the migrate_pfn.
> 

You're right, this could be unsafe.

> Interesting this heuristic slowed down the benchmark, it should lead
> to the exact opposite thanks to saving some cpu. So I guess maybe it's
> not worth it. I see it increases the ratio of compaction of a tiny
> bit, but if a tiny bit of better compaction comes at the expenses of
> an increased runtime I don't like it and I'd drop it... It's not
> making enough difference, further we could extend it to check the
> "second" page in the list and so on... so we can just go blind. All it
> matters is that we use a clock algorithm and I guess this screwes it
> and this is why it leads to increased time.
> 

The variation was within the noise but yes, maybe this is not such a great
idea and the figures are not very compelling. I'm going to drop it from the
series.

Thanks

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 16:22 [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: compaction: Add trace events for memory compaction activity Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/8] mm: vmscan: Convert lumpy_mode into a bitmask Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm: vmscan: Reclaim order-0 and use compaction instead of lumpy reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:09   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:09     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:30     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:30       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm: migration: Allow migration to operate asynchronously and avoid synchronous compaction in the faster path Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:21   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:21     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:34     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:34       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:00       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 19:00         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm: migration: Cleanup migrate_pages API by matching types for offlining and sync Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm: compaction: Perform a faster scan in try_to_compact_pages() Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:34     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:50     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:50       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:08       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 19:08         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:16         ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 11:16           ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm: compaction: Use the LRU to get a hint on where compaction should start Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  9:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  9:10     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  9:28     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  9:28       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:46   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:46     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:08     ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-19 11:08       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: vmscan: Rename lumpy_mode to reclaim_mode Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 23:46 ` [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Andrew Morton
2010-11-17 23:46   ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  2:03   ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-18  2:03     ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-18  8:12   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  8:12     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  8:26     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  8:26       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  8:38       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-11-18  8:38         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-11-18  9:20         ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  9:20           ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:49           ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-18 19:49             ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19 10:48             ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 10:48               ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 12:43               ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 12:43                 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 14:05                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 14:05                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 15:45                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:45                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18  8:44       ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  8:44         ` Mel Gorman

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