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From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>,
	Steven Whitehouse <swhiteho@redhat.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:30:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101119163013.GJ10039@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1011191640320.3238@dhcp-lab-213.englab.brq.redhat.com>

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 04:44:33PM +0100, Lukas Czerner wrote:
> > 
> > But, oddly, it _is_ the default for mke2fs -t ext4,
> > which really threw me for a loop recently.
> > 
> > I though my system had locked up when suddenly everything
> > went dead for a very long time (many minutes) while installing a 
> > new system.

Yeah, the assumption was doing a single big discard (which is all
mke2fs is doing) should be fast.  At least on sanely implemented SSD's
(i.e., like the Intel X25-M) it should be, since all that should
require is a flash write to the global mapping table, declaring all of
the blocks as free.

If there are some incompetently implemented SSD's out there which do a
flash erase of the entire SSD upon receiving a TRIM command (new
flash!  Part of the whole *point* of a TRIM was to increase write
endurance by eliminating the need to copy blocks that really weren't
in use any more by the OS when the SSD is doing a GC copy/compaction
of a partially written flash sector), all I can do is do a sigh, and
wish that T13 had defined a "comptently implemented SSD bit" --- not
that Indilinix would admit if it they were incompetent.  :-/

> That is exactly a reason why I posted a patch for
> "Make blkdev_issue_discard() interruptible", but nobody seems to care. As
> an addition I have patched mke2fs to inform user about ongoing discard,
> also with not much attention (Ted?).

Yeah, sorry.  I'm still recovering from the kernel summit and
plumber's.  I've got to get the critical bugfix patches out to Linus
before -rc3, and then I will try to get back to e2fsprogs.

       	      	       				- Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19 16:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18  7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20  1:37       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19         ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41             ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 20:04                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:33                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  3:44                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 13:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 23:52                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  0:34                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:16                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19  1:16                         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48                               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06                               ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10                                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29                                 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19  1:49                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  3:42                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 18:05             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:37                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:50                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:16                         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:44                     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30                       ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:23                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:41                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25  4:41                             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24                               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 16:24                                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18 17:55           ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40             ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21                   ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07  9:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52                       ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02  4:52                         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02  8:14                           ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03  2:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  2:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  4:25                             ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-03  4:25                               ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36         ` Tao Ma
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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