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From: Mark Lord <kernel@teksavvy.com>
To: "Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>
Cc: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>, Josef Bacik <josef@redhat.com>,
	Lukas Czerner <lczerner@redhat.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	sandeen@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:42:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE5F21F.7010806@teksavvy.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yq1eiaiw0a7.fsf@sermon.lab.mkp.net>

On 10-11-18 08:49 PM, Martin K. Petersen wrote:
> So assuming we walk the filesystem to reclaim space on ATA SSDs on a
> weekly basis (since that's the only sane approach):
>
>         What is the performance impact of not coalescing discontiguous
>         block ranges when cron scrubs your /home at 4am Sunday morning?

In the case of FITRIM, you're right: the performance impact
probably doesn't matter much for a 4am cronjob.

But a lot of people currently (at least) prefer to run it manually,
and they don't want it to take forever.

Though that's still not the primary worry:  each TRIM seems to trigger
a flash erase cycle (or cycles) on the most common SSDs on the market,
including anything Indilinx-based and as far as I can tell also for
anything SandForce based.  That's probably 70% of the SSDs out there today.

And I'm very concerned about premature wear -- MLC is only for 10000 cycles (avg).

Also, the current one-range-at-a-time interface is just not correct
for the majority of devices out there:  they are SATA, not some obscure
enterprise-only one-range-at-a-time thing.  We need an implementation
that reflects real-life for uses other than data centres.

If nobody else does it, I'll probably implement it correctly this winter.
But it would really be better for a real filesystem/DM person to do it.

Thanks for hanging in there this far, though!

Cheers

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19  3:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-18  7:36 [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18  7:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: Add EXT4_IOC_TRIM ioctl to handle batched discard Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:19   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 16:26     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-20  1:37       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18 13:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] fs: Do not dispatch FITRIM through separate super_operation Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 13:48   ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:19     ` Matthew Wilcox
2010-11-18 14:29       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-18 17:19         ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 17:22           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-18 17:41             ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 20:04               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 20:04                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-18 21:42                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:44                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 22:07                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:33                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  3:44                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 13:58                           ` Jeff Moyer
2010-11-19  3:44                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 23:52                   ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  0:34                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19  1:16                       ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19  1:16                         ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:01                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:48                               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:54                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:24                                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:34                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:20                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-19 16:38                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 18:06                               ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:10                                 ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 18:14                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 19:29                                 ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19  1:49                       ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-19  3:42                         ` Mark Lord [this message]
2010-11-18 18:05             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-11-18 19:32               ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 21:45                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 21:50                   ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2010-11-18 22:09                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-18 17:35           ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 12:16             ` Steven Whitehouse
2010-11-19 13:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:02                 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:37                     ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:50                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:50                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 16:16                         ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 14:10                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:50                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:35                     ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 15:44                     ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-19 16:30                       ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 22:49                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                         ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  2:48                           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:23                           ` Martin K. Petersen
2010-11-25 14:44                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25  4:41                           ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25  4:41                             ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 14:53                             ` Mark Lord
2010-11-25 16:24                               ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-25 16:24                                 ` Greg Freemyer
2010-11-26 13:49                                 ` Mark Lord
2010-11-26 14:00                                   ` Lukas Czerner
2010-11-18 17:55           ` Chris Mason
2010-12-03 18:24             ` Ric Wheeler
2010-11-18 21:37           ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 11:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 13:54               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:40             ` Chris Mason
2010-11-19 14:53               ` Mark Lord
2010-11-19 14:57                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-19 15:21                   ` Mark Lord
2010-12-07  9:27                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-12-07 16:52                       ` Chris Mason
2011-06-02  4:52                         ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-02  8:14                           ` Lukas Czerner
2011-06-03  2:06                           ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  2:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2011-06-03  4:25                             ` Kyungmin Park
2011-06-03  4:25                               ` Kyungmin Park
2010-11-19 15:30                   ` Mark Lord
2010-11-21 19:07                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-21 20:20                   ` James Bottomley
2010-11-18 14:31       ` Josef Bacik
2010-11-18 14:36         ` Tao Ma
2010-11-19 15:41 ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-19 15:50   ` Christoph Hellwig

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