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From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Microcai <microcai@fedoraproject.org>
Cc: Lisa Milne <lisa@ltmnet.com>,
	"jonsmirl@gmail.com" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-console@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: VT console need rewrite
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:46:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101128194624.GP2767@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1290961207.13526.31.camel@cai.gentoo>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:20:07AM +0800, Microcai wrote:
> 
> > Another possible model: split the current system in 2, so there's a
> > bytestream handler, and a vt-legacy module. Then use the interface
> > between bytestream/legacy as an interface for future vt-kernel and
> > vt-user modules.
> 
> this may cause early printk stop working. 

Let's start by asking a much more fundamental question; what the heck
are your goals?

If the main goal of the console is emergency debugging when the system
is in a very bad state (i.e., trashed initrd, etc.) do we really even
need Unicode support?

How many people do regular login, development, reading e-mail, etc.,
on the console?  Very few!  If the answer is because you hate X, as
you've already pointed out, we already have fbterm.  Where is it
written that we need to have a full unicode-capable console system?
Why is this so important; especially if doing this is going to be very
difficult, and risks breaking lots of stuff if we try to mess with it?

	       	     	      	      - Ted

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-28 19:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-28 10:57 VT console need rewrite Microcai
2010-11-28 13:24 ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-28 13:42   ` Microcai
2010-11-28 13:42     ` Microcai
2010-11-28 14:05     ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 14:05       ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 14:29       ` Microcai
2010-11-28 14:29         ` Microcai
2010-11-28 14:49         ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 14:49           ` jonsmirl
2010-11-28 19:11         ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  1:10           ` Microcai
2010-11-29  1:10             ` Microcai
2010-11-29  2:49             ` Américo Wang
2010-11-29  2:49               ` Américo Wang
2010-11-29  2:48               ` Microcai
2010-11-29  2:48                 ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:16             ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:16               ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:20               ` microcai
2010-11-29  8:20                 ` microcai
2010-11-29  8:27                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:53                   ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:53                     ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:59                     ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:59                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-28 16:06       ` Lisa Milne
2010-11-28 16:20         ` Microcai
2010-11-28 19:46           ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2010-11-29  1:14             ` Microcai
2010-11-29  1:14               ` Microcai
2010-11-29  8:58               ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  8:58                 ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  9:32                 ` Microcai
2010-11-29  9:32                   ` Microcai
2010-11-29  9:58                   ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29 10:11                     ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:11                       ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:17                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29 10:40                         ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:40                           ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:39                           ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29 10:39                             ` Samuel Thibault
2010-12-15 14:45                     ` Pavel Machek
2010-12-15 14:45                       ` Pavel Machek
2010-12-15 15:04                       ` Samuel Thibault
2010-12-15 15:04                         ` Samuel Thibault
2010-11-29  1:55             ` Alexey Gladkov
2010-11-29  1:55               ` Alexey Gladkov
2010-11-29  2:14               ` Microcai
2010-11-29 14:02                 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-29 17:50                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-11-29 21:23                   ` Jerome Glisse
2010-11-29 21:23                     ` Jerome Glisse
2010-11-28 23:46           ` Alan Cox
2010-11-29  1:28             ` Microcai
2010-11-29  1:28               ` Microcai
2010-11-29 14:07               ` Alan Cox
2010-11-30  5:05                 ` microcai
2010-12-20  6:35                   ` Pavel Machek
2010-11-29 10:01 ` Andi Kleen
2010-11-29 10:12   ` Microcai
2010-11-29 10:12     ` Microcai
2010-12-07 20:37     ` Jesse Barnes
2010-12-13  7:13   ` Pavel Machek
2010-12-13 10:18     ` Alan Cox
2010-12-15 14:40       ` Pavel Machek

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