From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Simon Kirby <sim@hostway.ca>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] mm: kswapd: Keep kswapd awake for high-order allocations until a percentage of the node is balanced
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:25:32 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101210102532.GJ20133@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101210101649.824e35ed.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:16:49AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:18:16 +0000
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > When reclaiming for high-orders, kswapd is responsible for balancing a
> > node but it should not reclaim excessively. It avoids excessive reclaim by
> > considering if any zone in a node is balanced then the node is balanced. In
> > the cases where there are imbalanced zone sizes (e.g. ZONE_DMA with both
> > ZONE_DMA32 and ZONE_NORMAL), kswapd can go to sleep prematurely as just
> > one small zone was balanced.
> >
> > This alters the sleep logic of kswapd slightly. It counts the number of pages
> > that make up the balanced zones. If the total number of balanced pages is
> > more than a quarter of the zone, kswapd will go back to sleep. This should
> > keep a node balanced without reclaiming an excessive number of pages.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
>
> Hmm, does this work well in
>
> for example, x86-32,
> DMA: 16MB
> NORMAL: 700MB
> HIGHMEM: 11G
> ?
>
> At 1st look, it's balanced when HIGHMEM has enough free pages...
> This is not good for NICs which requests high-order allocations.
>
Good question.
In this case, the classzone_idx for the NICs high-order allocation will
be the Normal zone. In balance_pgdat(), this check is made
if (i <= classzone_idx)
balanced += zone->present_pages;
Highmem will be too high and so the pages will not be counted and the node
will not be balanced.
> Can't we take claszone_idx into account at checking rather than
> node->present_pages ?
>
> as
> balanced > present_pages_below_classzone_idx(node, classzone_idx)/4
>
> ?
We can, but not for the reasons you list above. When a heavily
imbalanced highmem zone like this, the node might never be considered
balanced as the sum of DMA and Normal is less than 25% of the node.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Simon Kirby <sim@hostway.ca>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] mm: kswapd: Keep kswapd awake for high-order allocations until a percentage of the node is balanced
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 10:25:32 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101210102532.GJ20133@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101210101649.824e35ed.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:16:49AM +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:18:16 +0000
> Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
>
> > When reclaiming for high-orders, kswapd is responsible for balancing a
> > node but it should not reclaim excessively. It avoids excessive reclaim by
> > considering if any zone in a node is balanced then the node is balanced. In
> > the cases where there are imbalanced zone sizes (e.g. ZONE_DMA with both
> > ZONE_DMA32 and ZONE_NORMAL), kswapd can go to sleep prematurely as just
> > one small zone was balanced.
> >
> > This alters the sleep logic of kswapd slightly. It counts the number of pages
> > that make up the balanced zones. If the total number of balanced pages is
> > more than a quarter of the zone, kswapd will go back to sleep. This should
> > keep a node balanced without reclaiming an excessive number of pages.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
>
> Hmm, does this work well in
>
> for example, x86-32,
> DMA: 16MB
> NORMAL: 700MB
> HIGHMEM: 11G
> ?
>
> At 1st look, it's balanced when HIGHMEM has enough free pages...
> This is not good for NICs which requests high-order allocations.
>
Good question.
In this case, the classzone_idx for the NICs high-order allocation will
be the Normal zone. In balance_pgdat(), this check is made
if (i <= classzone_idx)
balanced += zone->present_pages;
Highmem will be too high and so the pages will not be counted and the node
will not be balanced.
> Can't we take claszone_idx into account at checking rather than
> node->present_pages ?
>
> as
> balanced > present_pages_below_classzone_idx(node, classzone_idx)/4
>
> ?
We can, but not for the reasons you list above. When a heavily
imbalanced highmem zone like this, the node might never be considered
balanced as the sum of DMA and Normal is less than 25% of the node.
--
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-12-10 10:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-12-09 11:18 [PATCH 0/5] Prevent kswapd dumping excessive amounts of memory in response to high-order allocations V3 Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: kswapd: Stop high-order balancing when any suitable zone is balanced Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 15:21 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 15:21 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 1:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 1:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-13 16:54 ` Eric B Munson
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 2/6] mm: kswapd: Keep kswapd awake for high-order allocations until a percentage of the node " Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 15:42 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 15:42 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 10:19 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 10:19 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 1:16 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 1:16 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 10:25 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-12-10 10:25 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-13 17:00 ` Eric B Munson
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm: kswapd: Use the order that kswapd was reclaiming at for sleeping_prematurely() Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 1:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 1:16 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 10:36 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 10:36 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 1:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 1:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 4/6] mm: kswapd: Reset kswapd_max_order and classzone_idx after reading Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 15:59 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 15:59 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 16:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 16:03 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 10:42 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 1:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 1:19 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 5/6] mm: kswapd: Treat zone->all_unreclaimable in sleeping_prematurely similar to balance_pgdat() Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 1:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 1:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-10 10:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 10:55 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-12 23:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-12 23:58 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-09 11:18 ` [PATCH 6/6] mm: kswapd: Use the classzone idx that kswapd was using for sleeping_prematurely() Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:18 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 2:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-10 2:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-09 11:19 ` [PATCH 0/5] Prevent kswapd dumping excessive amounts of memory in response to high-order allocations V3 Mel Gorman
2010-12-09 11:19 ` Mel Gorman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-12-10 15:46 [PATCH 0/6] Prevent kswapd dumping excessive amounts of memory in response to high-order allocations V4 Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 15:46 ` [PATCH 2/6] mm: kswapd: Keep kswapd awake for high-order allocations until a percentage of the node is balanced Mel Gorman
2010-12-10 15:46 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-13 2:03 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-13 2:03 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-13 19:37 ` Eric B Munson
2010-12-14 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-14 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-12-15 10:54 ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-15 10:54 ` Mel Gorman
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