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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Tim Bird <tbird20d@gmail.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 03:41:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110209024144.GA32102@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWnT8f=PyLgOOrZOaMx0pdv+yNtPw2T7=kO2G-@mail.gmail.com>


* Tim Bird <tbird20d@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:21 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> > Rafael, could you do a defconfig-ish x86 build with and without CONFIG_PM, and 
> > post the 'size vmlinux' comparison - so that we can see the size difference? We 
> > make some things CONFIG_EXPERT configurable just to enable folks who *really* 
> > want to cut down on kernel size to configure it out.
> 
> I'm one of those people who *really* wants to cut down the kernel size. I've 
> recently worked on a product where the kernel RAM budget is ~1M.

Did that kernel have CONFIG_PM disabled?

> > Note that those usecases, even if they want a super-small kernel, might not care 
> > about PM at all while they care about size: small boot kernels in ROMs, or 
> > simple devices where CPU-idling implies deep low power mode, etc.
>
> So the vmlinux size comparisons would be needed really. If it's 5k nobody will 
> care. I care about 5K.  (But honestly, I don't actively hunt stuff less than 10K 
> in size, because there's too many of them to chase, currently).

The numbers that Frank Rowand sent show 40K+:

|
| For 2.6.38-rc4, x86_64, CONFIG_NR_CPUS=4:
|
| size vmlinux
|    text     data       bss       dec      hex  filename
|
| 6553910  3555020   9994240  20103170  132c002  vmlinux    with    CONFIG_PM
| 6512652  3553116   9994240  20060008  1321768  vmlinux    without CONFIG_PM
|
|   41258     1904         0     43162                      delta
|

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-09  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-07 12:22 [PATCH] PM: Hide CONFIG_PM from users Mark Brown
2011-02-07 12:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 13:26   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 13:26   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 12:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 12:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-07 13:09   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 13:09   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 12:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-07 14:13 ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:13   ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:13   ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:18   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:18   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:18     ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:44     ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:44     ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:44       ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:50       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:50         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:00         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 15:00         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 15:00           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 15:00           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-02-07 15:10           ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:10             ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:19             ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:19               ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:21               ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:21                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:36                 ` Alan Stern
2011-02-07 15:36                   ` Alan Stern
2011-02-07 15:36                   ` Alan Stern
2011-02-07 15:49                   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:49                   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:49                     ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:16                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:16                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:16                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  1:17                     ` Ray Lee
2011-02-08  1:17                       ` Ray Lee
2011-02-08 11:18                       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 11:18                       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 11:18                         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08  1:17                     ` Ray Lee
2011-02-07 15:36                 ` Alan Stern
2011-02-07 15:21               ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 15:19             ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 15:10           ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 14:50       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 14:13 ` Stephen Rothwell
2011-02-07 19:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:30   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:46     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 19:46     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 20:18       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 21:15         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 21:47           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 21:47           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 22:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 22:00             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 22:23               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 22:23               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-07 23:05                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 23:05                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  0:50                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-08  9:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  9:23                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08  0:50                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-02-08 16:48                   ` Paul Mundt
2011-02-08 16:48                   ` Paul Mundt
2011-02-08 12:12           ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 12:12           ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 12:21           ` [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time Ingo Molnar
2011-02-08 12:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-08 21:18             ` [PATCH 0/5] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:18             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:20               ` [PATCH 1/5] ACPI / PM: Move references to pm_flags into sleep.c Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:20               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-08 23:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-09  0:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-09  1:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-09  1:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-09  0:37                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21               ` [PATCH 2/5] PM: Make CONFIG_PM depend on (CONFIG_PM_SLEEP || CONFIG_PM_RUNTIME) Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21               ` [PATCH 3/5] PM: Reorder power management Kconfig options Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:21               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:22               ` [PATCH 4/5] PM: Replace CONFIG_PM_OPS with CONFIG_PM Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:22               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:23               ` [PATCH 5/5] PM: Clean up Kconfig dependencies Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 21:23               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-08 23:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-02-10 23:32                 ` [Updated][PATCH 5/5] PM: Clean up PM_TRACE dependencies and drop unnecessary Kconfig option Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-10 23:32                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-08 23:35             ` [PATCH] Remove CONFIG_PM altogether, enable power management all the time Frank Rowand
2011-02-08 23:35               ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 11:41               ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 11:58                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 11:58                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 17:07                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-09 18:31                   ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 18:31                   ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 18:40                     ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 18:40                     ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:00                       ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 19:25                         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:53                           ` Tim Bird
2011-02-09 19:53                           ` Tim Bird
2011-02-09 19:59                             ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:59                             ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 20:09                               ` Alan Stern
2011-02-09 20:09                               ` Alan Stern
2011-02-09 20:10                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 20:10                                 ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:25                         ` Mark Brown
2011-02-09 19:00                       ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-09 17:07                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-09 11:41               ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 23:35             ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-08 23:35             ` Tim Bird
2011-02-08 23:35             ` Tim Bird
2011-02-09  2:41               ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-02-09  2:41               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-07 21:15         ` [PATCH] PM: Hide CONFIG_PM from users Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-02-07 20:18       ` Mark Brown
2011-02-07 19:30   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08  2:52 ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-08  2:52   ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-08 14:15   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08 14:15   ` Mark Brown
2011-02-08  2:52 ` Frank Rowand
2011-02-08 14:29 ` Pavel Machek
2011-02-08 14:29 ` Pavel Machek

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