From: Ted Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, G@thunk.org
Cc: Indan Zupancic <indan@nul.nu>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Sage Weil <sage@newdream.net>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Aneesh Kumar K. V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linux-api@vger.kernel.org, mtk.manpages@gmail.com,
viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, hch@lst.de, l@jasper.es
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] introduce sys_syncfs to sync a single file system
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:11:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110314211119.GC8120@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110314131042.5a7fb32f.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 01:10:42PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> There might one day be a requirement to be able to initiate a
> resource-management-style writeback against a whole filesystem. When
> that happens, we'll regret not having added a "mode" argument to
> sys_syncfs().
I'm a bit nervous about exposing WB_SYNC_NONE to userspace, because
its semantics are *definitely* hard to describe. For example, at the
moment if you do a WB_SYNC_NONE writeback, the writeback code will
clamp the amount of data written back for each inode to
MAX_WRITEBACK_PAGES (1024) pages. Do we want to document that?
Probably not! But if we don't document it, what can userspace expect?
If you just issue a writeback_inodes_sb(), it's not the case that it
will start a process that will eventually write out everything (i.e.,
it's not the equivalent of a non-blocking data integrity sync). It
just means, "write out some stuff".
I could imagine userspace wanting to start a non-blocking writeout of
all data blocking pages, and which doesn't cause queue flush / barrier
requests. (i.e., a non-blocking-non-barrier-issuing-but-otherwise-a-
data-integrity writeback) But that's not something that the current
writeback machinery can do easily, at least not today.
It wouldn't hurt to have a "flags" field which we could expand later
--- but that can lead to portability headaches for userspace programs
that don't know whether a particular kernel is going to support a
particular flag or not. So it's certainly not a panacea.
- Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-03-14 21:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-03-03 6:35 [RFC] introduce sys_syncat to sync a single file system Sage Weil
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1102171035220.13904-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-03 7:22 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-03 7:22 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-03 8:54 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2011-03-03 8:54 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
[not found] ` <87bp1sziqn.fsf-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-07 23:17 ` [RFC] introduce sys_syncfs to sync a single file system (v2) Sage Weil
2011-03-07 23:17 ` Sage Weil
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1103071515070.11152-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-08 5:27 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2011-03-08 5:27 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
[not found] ` <8762ruchcr.fsf-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-10 14:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-10 14:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201103101556.44698.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-10 19:28 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-10 19:28 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-10 19:31 ` [PATCH v3] introduce sys_syncfs to sync a single file system Sage Weil
2011-03-10 22:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1103101125150.4190-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-11 4:44 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2011-03-11 4:44 ` Aneesh Kumar K. V
2011-03-11 11:01 ` Indan Zupancic
[not found] ` <edfa4cf081249734807e582c14253fca.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-11 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-11 11:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` <201103111255.44979.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-11 23:45 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-11 23:45 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-11 23:56 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-12 1:53 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 1:53 ` Indan Zupancic
[not found] ` <9446ab1a2315c0d2476c30f8315a0503.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-12 2:10 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-12 2:10 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-12 4:22 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 4:22 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 17:32 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20110312173217.GA24981-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-14 1:56 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 1:56 ` Indan Zupancic
[not found] ` <1e597aedd3d7825dcc0630b1cf2399fa.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-14 4:29 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-14 4:29 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-14 9:27 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 10:22 ` Theodore Tso
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.1103132114380.5145-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-15 10:11 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-15 10:11 ` Dave Chinner
2011-03-15 13:00 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-15 15:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2011-03-15 16:08 ` Sage Weil
2011-03-15 20:18 ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-14 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-14 20:10 ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-14 20:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-14 20:29 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-14 21:11 ` Ted Ts'o [this message]
2011-03-14 21:20 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <20110314142032.b9523309.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-14 23:17 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-03-14 23:17 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-03-14 21:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-03-12 0:40 ` Ric Wheeler
[not found] ` <4D7AC0FE.8070806-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-12 1:33 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 1:33 ` Indan Zupancic
[not found] ` <1d4d1b7ae64da97f44cad0e2bda4f832.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-12 2:52 ` Ric Wheeler
2011-03-12 2:52 ` Ric Wheeler
[not found] ` <4D7ADFDD.9080108-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-12 3:50 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 3:50 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 12:41 ` Ric Wheeler
[not found] ` <e118a1458c29e4f44bf71c7095e4bce8.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-12 18:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2011-03-12 18:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2011-03-14 1:31 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 1:37 ` Theodore Tso
2011-03-14 1:47 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 1:45 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <4D7D7325.2040708-o2qLIJkoznsdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-14 1:59 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 1:59 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-12 19:28 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-12 19:28 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-12 19:22 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-12 19:22 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-14 1:38 ` Indan Zupancic
2011-03-14 1:38 ` Indan Zupancic
[not found] ` <3cc2c5c6fa6b3bd384017ae95a4241ab.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3wYrDfM2ltn5vKXLoBo5SK@public.gmane.org>
2011-03-14 5:52 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-14 5:52 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2011-03-13 20:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
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