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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	Frantisek Hrbata <fhrbata@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3 for 2.6.38] oom: oom_kill_process: fix the child_points logic
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:21:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110315192145.GC21640@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1103141334470.31514@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On 03/14, David Rientjes wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > oom_kill_process() starts with victim_points == 0. This means that
> > (most likely) any child has more points and can be killed erroneously.
> >
> > Also, "children has a different mm" doesn't match the reality, we
> > should check child->mm != t->mm. This check is not exactly correct
> > if t->mm == NULL but this doesn't really matter, oom_kill_task()
> > will kill them anyway.
> >
> > Note: "Kill all processes sharing p->mm" in oom_kill_task() is wrong
> > too.
> >
>
> There're two issues you're addressing in this patch.  It only kills a 
> child in place of its selected parent when:
>
>  - the child has a higher badness score, and
>
>  - it has a different ->mm.
>
> In the former case, NACK, we always want to sacrifice children regardless
> of their badness score (as long as it is non-zero) if it has a separate
> ->mm in place of its parent,

Ah. So this was intentional?

OK. I was hypnotized by the security implications, and this looked so
"obviously wrong" to me.

But, of course I can't judge when it comes to oom's heuristic, and you
certainly know better.

So, thanks for correcting me.


Just a question... what about oom_kill_allocating_task? Probably
Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt should be updated.

Oleg.


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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
	Frantisek Hrbata <fhrbata@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3 for 2.6.38] oom: oom_kill_process: fix the child_points logic
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:21:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110315192145.GC21640@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1103141334470.31514@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On 03/14, David Rientjes wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>
> > oom_kill_process() starts with victim_points == 0. This means that
> > (most likely) any child has more points and can be killed erroneously.
> >
> > Also, "children has a different mm" doesn't match the reality, we
> > should check child->mm != t->mm. This check is not exactly correct
> > if t->mm == NULL but this doesn't really matter, oom_kill_task()
> > will kill them anyway.
> >
> > Note: "Kill all processes sharing p->mm" in oom_kill_task() is wrong
> > too.
> >
>
> There're two issues you're addressing in this patch.  It only kills a 
> child in place of its selected parent when:
>
>  - the child has a higher badness score, and
>
>  - it has a different ->mm.
>
> In the former case, NACK, we always want to sacrifice children regardless
> of their badness score (as long as it is non-zero) if it has a separate
> ->mm in place of its parent,

Ah. So this was intentional?

OK. I was hypnotized by the security implications, and this looked so
"obviously wrong" to me.

But, of course I can't judge when it comes to oom's heuristic, and you
certainly know better.

So, thanks for correcting me.


Just a question... what about oom_kill_allocating_task? Probably
Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt should be updated.

Oleg.

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-15 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-01 19:09 [patch] oom: prevent unnecessary oom kills or kernel panics David Rientjes
2011-03-03  1:20 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-03 19:53   ` David Rientjes
2011-03-06 11:14     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-06 22:06       ` David Rientjes
2011-03-08  0:24         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08  2:01         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-08 13:42   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-08 23:57     ` David Rientjes
2011-03-09 10:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-09 11:06       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-09 20:32         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-10 12:05           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 15:40             ` [PATCH 0/1] Was: " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 15:41               ` [PATCH 1/1] oom_kill_task: mark every thread as TIF_MEMDIE Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-13  1:08                 ` David Rientjes
2011-03-10 16:36               ` [PATCH 0/1] select_bad_process: improve the PF_EXITING check Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 16:37                 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 16:40                 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 17:18                   ` [PATCH v2 " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-10 17:19                     ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-13  1:06             ` [patch] oom: prevent unnecessary oom kills or kernel panics David Rientjes
2011-03-09 23:19       ` Andrew Morton
2011-03-11 19:45         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-12 12:34           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-12 13:43             ` [PATCH 0/3] oom: TIF_MEMDIE/PF_EXITING fixes Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-12 13:44               ` [PATCH 1/3] oom: oom_kill_task: mark every thread as TIF_MEMDIE Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-13  1:14                 ` David Rientjes
2011-03-12 13:44               ` [PATCH 2/3] oom: select_bad_process: improve the PF_EXITING check Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-12 13:44               ` [PATCH 3/3] oom: select_bad_process: use same_thread_group() Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-12 19:40               ` [PATCH 0/3] oom: TIF_MEMDIE/PF_EXITING fixes Hugh Dickins
2011-03-13  8:53                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-13 21:27                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:04                   ` [PATCH 0/3 for 2.6.38] oom: fixes Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:04                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:04                     ` [PATCH 1/3 for 2.6.38] oom: oom_kill_process: don't set TIF_MEMDIE if !p->mm Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:04                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-14 19:35                         ` Linus Torvalds
2011-03-14 20:31                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 20:31                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 20:32                         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 20:32                           ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 19:12                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-15 19:12                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-15 19:51                             ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 19:51                               ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 20:22                       ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 20:22                         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 18:53                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-15 18:53                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-15 19:54                           ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 19:54                             ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 21:16                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-15 21:16                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:05                     ` [PATCH 2/3 for 2.6.38] oom: select_bad_process: ignore TIF_MEMDIE zombies Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:05                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 20:50                       ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 20:50                         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 19:05                     ` [PATCH 3/3 for 2.6.38] oom: oom_kill_process: fix the child_points logic Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 19:05                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-14 20:41                       ` David Rientjes
2011-03-14 20:41                         ` David Rientjes
2011-03-15 19:21                         ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2011-03-15 19:21                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-03-13 11:36               ` [PATCH 0/3] oom: TIF_MEMDIE/PF_EXITING fixes KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-03-13  1:11             ` [patch] oom: prevent unnecessary oom kills or kernel panics David Rientjes
2011-03-13  1:15               ` [patch -mm] oom: avoid deferring oom killer if exiting task is being traced David Rientjes
2011-03-14 17:40                 ` Oleg Nesterov

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