From: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/17] writeback: introduce .tagged_sync for the WB_SYNC_NONE sync stage
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:39:46 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110516053946.GA10776@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110515234306.GO19446@dastard>
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 07:43:06AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 10:56:08AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 06:40:13AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 09:57:07PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > sync(2) is performed in two stages: the WB_SYNC_NONE sync and the
> > > > WB_SYNC_ALL sync. Tag the first stage with wbc.tagged_sync and do
> > > > livelock prevention for it, too.
> > > >
> > > > Note that writeback_inodes_sb() is called by not only sync(), they are
> > > > treated the same because the other callers also need livelock prevention.
> > > >
> > > > Impact: It changes the order in which pages/inodes are synced to disk.
> > > > Now in the WB_SYNC_NONE stage, it won't proceed to write the next inode
> > > > until finished with the current inode.
> > >
> > > What about all the filesystems that implement their own
> > > .writepages()/write_cache_pages() functions or have
> > > have special code that checks WB_SYNC_ALL in .writepages (e.g. gfs2,
> > > ext4, btrfs and perhaps others). Don't they all need to be aware of
> > > this tagged_sync field?
> >
> > Right, good point. Currently only ext4 is updated. The other
> > filesystems --- afs, btrfs, cifs, gfs2 --- do not even use
> > PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE for livelock prevention. My plan was to add
> > PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE and tagged_sync code to them as the next step,
> > when tagged_sync is accepted and proved to work fine.
>
> Where "proved to work fine" can mean "caused regressions for certain
> filesystems"? I mean, for btrfs it means that the bio is submitted
> with WRITE rather than WRITE_SYNC, which causes subtle changes of
> behaviour in the elevator. that could cause strange regressions that
> are very hard to isolate.
Hmm, where is the relevant btrfs code? It seems that you assumed
WB_SYNC_ALL semantics in .tagged_sync, however the latter merely means
"tag all dirty pages with PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE and write them out".
> Hence regardless of whether filesystems use PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE
> or not, filesystems are checking for synchronous writeback for
> a reason. If we now have two different ways of signalling sync
> writeback they need to know about them.
See above, shall we rename .tagged_sync to .tagged_write?
> Which just raised the question in my mind - why did you add a new
> field rather than a new sync_mode definition? After all, this is a
> new sync control, and it seems clumsy to me to have two separate
> control fields for defining sync behaviour...
Yeah I considered that too. The main problem is, it somehow overloads
the sync mode enum and some filesystems already assumed two modes only
by using (sync_mode == WB_SYNC_ALL) and (sync_mode != WB_SYNC_NONE)
interchangeably.
For example, if adding another mode
WB_SYNC_NONE // WRITE, don't wait
+ WB_SYNC_NONE_TAGGED // WRITE, don't wait, use PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE
WB_SYNC_ALL // WRITE_SYNC, wait, use PAGECACHE_TAG_TOWRITE
The btrfs code will unnecessarily wait on WB_SYNC_NONE_TAGGED:
if (wbc->sync_mode != WB_SYNC_NONE) {
if (PageWriteback(page))
flush_fn(data);
wait_on_page_writeback(page);
}
We can fix btrfs trivially, however if there are out of tree
filesystems, they'll break silently..
Thanks,
Fengguang
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-16 5:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-12 13:57 [PATCH 00/17] writeback fixes and cleanups for 2.6.40 (v2) Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 01/17] writeback: introduce .tagged_sync for the WB_SYNC_NONE sync stage Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:40 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 2:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-13 10:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-15 23:43 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 5:39 ` Wu Fengguang [this message]
2011-05-19 21:17 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 02/17] writeback: update dirtied_when for synced inode to prevent livelock Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:42 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 3:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-19 21:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-23 13:14 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-24 3:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 03/17] writeback: introduce writeback_control.inodes_cleaned Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:44 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 3:36 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-15 23:50 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 10:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-16 11:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 04/17] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 05/17] writeback: the kupdate expire timestamp should be a moving target Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 06/17] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 22:55 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 13:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 07/17] writeback: refill b_io iff empty Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 08/17] writeback: split inode_wb_list_lock into bdi_writeback.list_lock Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 09/17] writeback: elevate queue_io() into wb_writeback() Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 10/17] writeback: avoid extra sync work at enqueue time Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 11/17] writeback: add bdi_dirty_limit() kernel-doc Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 12/17] writeback: skip balance_dirty_pages() for in-memory fs Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16 10:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-16 10:49 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 13/17] writeback: remove writeback_control.more_io Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 14:25 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-12 23:04 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 5:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-15 23:54 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 14/17] writeback: make writeback_control.nr_to_write straight Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 14:56 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-12 23:18 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 5:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16 0:12 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 12:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 15/17] writeback: remove .nonblocking and .encountered_congestion Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 16/17] writeback: trace event writeback_single_inode Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 23:20 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-13 5:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-16 0:14 ` Dave Chinner
2011-05-16 12:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-05-12 13:57 ` [PATCH 17/17] writeback: trace event writeback_queue_io Wu Fengguang
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