From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Jan Kratochvil <jan.kratochvil@redhat.com>,
oleg@redhat.com, vda.linux@googlemail.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, indan@nul.nu
Subject: Re: getter PTRACE_GETSIGINFO should not modify anything [Re: [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer]
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 15:00:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110516130032.GF7128@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110516125615.GW23665@htj.dyndns.org>
* Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 02:17:11PM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 May 2011 10:43:50 +0200, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > There's distinction between "broken" and "ugly". If it's ugly but
> > > functional, you don't need to "fix" it.
> >
> > The final goal is the user experience (such as the users of GDB), nothing else
> > matters. If it is so "ugly" the userland developers fail to use it the
> > project as a whole still broken.
>
> To me, it seems the breakage and mountain of workarounds come more from lack
> of proper documentation plus the current ptrace + job control + signal
> interaction which is really broken. For example, it seems nobody really
> understood how group stop and ptrace interacts and the different types of
> traps being used - strace(2) thought the same signal was being delivered
> twice.
Btw., i'd also like to offer the observation that even these days, running
brand-new Rawhide distribution with strace-4.5.20-2.fc15.x86_64 and a fresh
kernel, i *still* often see strace (or ptrace?) misbehavior like it
misprocessing Ctrl-C and leaving hung threads around which i have to clean up
manually ...
So if you could bring sanity in here i think we could live with a regression or
two, if the situation could be improved in the longer run - it's not like we
are protecting a stable bastion of robust functionality here ...
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-16 13:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-08 15:48 [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 01/11] job control: rename signal->group_stop and flags to jobctl and rearrange flags Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 02/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE Tejun Heo
2011-05-09 16:18 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 9:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 13:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 13:47 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 18:19 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-15 15:56 ` PTRACE_SEIZE should not stop [Re: [PATCH 02/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:26 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:15 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 17:25 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 19:48 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 8:31 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:26 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:42 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:03 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:51 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:21 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:45 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:48 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 13:54 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 03/11] ptrace: ptrace_check_attach(): rename @kill to @ignore_state and add comments Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 04/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 21:58 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 10:09 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-09 10:55 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 16:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 9:50 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 14:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 14:20 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 18:08 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 8:29 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:21 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 21:59 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 9:19 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 12:23 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 13:22 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 16:20 ` Bryan Donlan
2011-05-11 19:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 16:10 ` PTRACE_DETACH without stop [Re: [PATCH 04/11] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:35 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:39 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 9:01 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:08 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:48 ` [PATCH 05/11] ptrace: restructure ptrace_getsiginfo() Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 06/11] ptrace: make group stop state visible via PTRACE_GETSIGINFO Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 16:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-10 17:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 8:08 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 16:47 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:15 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 07/11] ptrace: add JOBCTL_TRAPPED Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 08/11] ptrace: move fallback JOBCTL_TRAPPING clearing to get_signal_to_deliver() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 15:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:17 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 15:40 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 09/11] job control: reorganize wait_task_stopped() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 15:48 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:29 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 15:42 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 16:02 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 17:32 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 17:33 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 18:33 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-13 8:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-13 17:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-14 10:56 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 14:40 ` waitpid(WNOHANG) should report SIGCHLD-notified signals [Re: [PATCH 09/11] job control: reorganize wait_task_stopped()] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 16:47 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:01 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:47 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 9:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:11 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:27 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:39 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:46 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 10/11] ptrace: move JOBCTL_TRAPPING wait to wait(2) and ptrace_check_attach() Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 16:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 17:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 19:45 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 19:53 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 10:23 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 16:06 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 15:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-12 16:07 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 18:20 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-13 9:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-13 18:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-08 15:49 ` [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer Tejun Heo
2011-05-08 22:42 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 10:10 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-10 22:37 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 9:05 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 12:01 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-11 13:13 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 19:58 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-11 20:18 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-11 20:21 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-12 10:24 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 14:02 ` getter PTRACE_GETSIGINFO should not modify anything [Re: [PATCH 11/11] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer] Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 14:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 17:17 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-15 17:28 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 20:06 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 8:43 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 12:17 ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-05-16 12:56 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 13:00 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-08 22:27 ` [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-09 9:48 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-15 13:55 ` ptrace-testsuite status [Re: [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification] Jan Kratochvil
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