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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] v6 Improve task->comm locking situation
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:58:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110518075815.GE2945@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110518000527.bcced636.akpm@linux-foundation.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 08:25:54 +0200 Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> 
> >   " Hey, this looks a bit racy and 'top' very rarely, on rare workloads that 
> >     play with ->comm[], might display a weird reading task name for a second, 
> >     amongst the many other temporarily nonsensical statistical things it 
> >     already prints every now and then. "
> 
> Well we should at least make sure that `top' won't run off the end of comm[] 
> and go oops.  I think that's guaranteed by the fact(s) that init_tasks's 
> comm[15] is zero and is always copied-by-value across fork and can never be 
> overwritten in any task_struct.

Correct.

> But I didn't check that.

I actually have a highly threaded app that uses PR_SET_NAME heavily and would 
have noticed any oopsing potential long ago.

Since ->comm is often observed from other tasks, regardless whether it's set 
from the prctl() or from the newfangled /proc vector, the race for seeing 
partial updates to ->comm always existed - for more than 10 years.

So the premise of the whole series is wrong: temporarily incomplete ->comm[]s 
were *always* possible and did not start 1.5+ years ago with:

  4614a696bd1c: procfs: allow threads to rename siblings via /proc/pid/tasks/tid/comm

when i see series being built on a fundamentally wrong premise i get a bit sad!

Thanks,

	Ingo

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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Michal Nazarewicz <mina86@mina86.com>,
	Andy Whitcroft <apw@canonical.com>,
	Jiri Slaby <jirislaby@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] v6 Improve task->comm locking situation
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 09:58:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110518075815.GE2945@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110518000527.bcced636.akpm@linux-foundation.org>


* Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2011 08:25:54 +0200 Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> 
> >   " Hey, this looks a bit racy and 'top' very rarely, on rare workloads that 
> >     play with ->comm[], might display a weird reading task name for a second, 
> >     amongst the many other temporarily nonsensical statistical things it 
> >     already prints every now and then. "
> 
> Well we should at least make sure that `top' won't run off the end of comm[] 
> and go oops.  I think that's guaranteed by the fact(s) that init_tasks's 
> comm[15] is zero and is always copied-by-value across fork and can never be 
> overwritten in any task_struct.

Correct.

> But I didn't check that.

I actually have a highly threaded app that uses PR_SET_NAME heavily and would 
have noticed any oopsing potential long ago.

Since ->comm is often observed from other tasks, regardless whether it's set 
from the prctl() or from the newfangled /proc vector, the race for seeing 
partial updates to ->comm always existed - for more than 10 years.

So the premise of the whole series is wrong: temporarily incomplete ->comm[]s 
were *always* possible and did not start 1.5+ years ago with:

  4614a696bd1c: procfs: allow threads to rename siblings via /proc/pid/tasks/tid/comm

when i see series being built on a fundamentally wrong premise i get a bit sad!

Thanks,

	Ingo

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-18  7:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-18  1:41 [PATCH 0/4] v6 Improve task->comm locking situation John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41 ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41 ` [PATCH 1/4] comm: Introduce comm_lock spinlock to protect task->comm access John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41   ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  2:01   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  2:01     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  4:11     ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  4:11       ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  5:06       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  5:06         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18  1:41 ` [PATCH 2/4] comm: Add lock-free task->comm accessor John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41   ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41 ` [PATCH 3/4] printk: Add %ptc to safely print a task's comm John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41   ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41 ` [PATCH 4/4] checkpatch.pl: Add check for task comm references John Stultz
2011-05-18  1:41   ` John Stultz
2011-05-18  6:25 ` [PATCH 0/4] v6 Improve task->comm locking situation Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18  6:25   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18  7:05   ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18  7:05     ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18  7:58     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-18  7:58       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 19:03   ` John Stultz
2011-05-18 19:03     ` John Stultz
2011-05-18 19:33     ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18 19:33       ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18 19:48       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 19:48         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 19:56         ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18 19:56           ` Andrew Morton
2011-05-18 20:48           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 20:48             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-18 19:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-18 19:58   ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-20 10:41   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-20 10:41     ` KOSAKI Motohiro

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