From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>
To: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC 2/5 v4] procfs: add hidepid= and gid= mount options
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:06:01 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620170600.GA25601@albatros> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.00.1106202040400.10448@tundra.namei.org>
(cc'ed Eric)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 20:43 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> > > > hidepid=1 means users may not access any /proc/<pid>/ directories, but their
> > > > own. Sensitive files like cmdline, io, sched*, status, wchan are now
> > > > protected against other users. As permission checking done in
> > > > proc_pid_permission() and files' permissions are left untouched,
> > > > programs expecting specific files' permissions are not confused.
> > >
> > > IMHO such programs are beyond broken and have voided their kernel
> > > warranty.
> >
> > Policykit, Debian's start-stop-daemon, util-linux use /proc/PID's uid.
> > procps use both /proc/PID's uid and gid. Are all of them totally broken?
>
> If they depend on specific permissions, yes.
Could you please then clarify why does this patch changes
pid_revalidate() behaviour:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f895518368252ba862cc15ce4eb98ebbe1bec6
It changes files permissions to allow userspace apps to quickly stat
files, not looking into /proc/PID/status. So, uid and gid are explicit
ABI. Breaking procfs uid/gid attributes would break these apps.
Or am I missing something?
Thanks,
--
Vasiliy Kulikov
http://www.openwall.com - bringing security into open computing environments
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From: Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>
To: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Cc: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 2/5 v4] procfs: add hidepid= and gid= mount options
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:06:01 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110620170600.GA25601@albatros> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LRH.2.00.1106202040400.10448@tundra.namei.org>
(cc'ed Eric)
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 20:43 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> > > > hidepid=1 means users may not access any /proc/<pid>/ directories, but their
> > > > own. Sensitive files like cmdline, io, sched*, status, wchan are now
> > > > protected against other users. As permission checking done in
> > > > proc_pid_permission() and files' permissions are left untouched,
> > > > programs expecting specific files' permissions are not confused.
> > >
> > > IMHO such programs are beyond broken and have voided their kernel
> > > warranty.
> >
> > Policykit, Debian's start-stop-daemon, util-linux use /proc/PID's uid.
> > procps use both /proc/PID's uid and gid. Are all of them totally broken?
>
> If they depend on specific permissions, yes.
Could you please then clarify why does this patch changes
pid_revalidate() behaviour:
http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f895518368252ba862cc15ce4eb98ebbe1bec6
It changes files permissions to allow userspace apps to quickly stat
files, not looking into /proc/PID/status. So, uid and gid are explicit
ABI. Breaking procfs uid/gid attributes would break these apps.
Or am I missing something?
Thanks,
--
Vasiliy Kulikov
http://www.openwall.com - bringing security into open computing environments
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-20 17:06 UTC|newest]
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[not found] <alpine.LRH.2.00.1106192154220.7503@taiga.selinuxproject.org>
2011-06-20 5:07 ` [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC 2/5 v4] procfs: add hidepid= and gid= mount options James Morris
2011-06-20 5:07 ` James Morris
2011-06-20 10:39 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 10:39 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 10:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2011-06-20 10:43 ` James Morris
2011-06-20 11:23 ` [kernel-hardening] " KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-20 11:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-20 17:06 ` Vasiliy Kulikov [this message]
2011-06-20 17:06 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 19:41 ` [kernel-hardening] " Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-20 19:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2011-06-20 23:19 ` [kernel-hardening] " James Morris
2011-06-20 23:19 ` James Morris
2011-06-21 18:28 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-21 18:28 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 13:58 ` [kernel-hardening] " Alexey Dobriyan
2011-06-20 13:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2011-06-20 14:11 ` [kernel-hardening] " Solar Designer
2011-06-20 14:19 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 14:25 ` Solar Designer
2011-06-20 14:35 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 14:47 ` Solar Designer
2011-06-20 15:00 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-20 13:31 ` [kernel-hardening] " Solar Designer
2011-06-20 13:31 ` Solar Designer
2011-06-15 18:51 [kernel-hardening] " Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-16 2:24 ` [kernel-hardening] " KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-06-16 8:47 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
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