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From: plagnioj@jcrosoft.com (Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] AT91: add AT91SAM9X5 dummy configuration variable
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:32:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110705053229.GC27909@game.jcrosoft.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E118679.4090908@atmel.com>

On 11:23 Mon 04 Jul     , Nicolas Ferre wrote:
> Le 02/07/2011 11:49, Arnd Bergmann :
> > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 17:24:42 Nicolas Ferre wrote:
> >>> Here are a few questions:
> >>> i) The drivers you're willing to send, are those for Atmel's IPs or are
> >>>       the IPs sourced from some other company ?
> >>> ii) Even if they are Atmel-specific, do you see the possibility of Atmel
> >>>       licensing them ?
> >>> iii) Does your driver current depend on asm/ or mach/ headers ?
> >>> iv) Is there a generic header which you could use instead of asm/ mach/ ?
> >>
> >> I just want to hide drivers that are not relevant for others: I have the feeling
> >> that it is a good practice. This tiny patch will ease this during my publication
> >> flow. Do you seriously care?
> > 
> > I think Felipe is right on this one, but both views are common in the kernel
> > today: Some people want dependencies to mean "you cannot build this driver
> > unless the dependencies are fulfilled", others like them more broadly to
> > mean "there is no point to ever enable this driver because I know you won't
> > need it".
> > 
> > Both views are understandable, but I favor the first one because
> > 
> > * it's the more common view these days and we should be consistent
> > 
> > * it exposes drivers to more build testing. If something changes in
> >   the kernel that exposes new warnings in your driver or causes a
> >   build error, that is more likely to get fixed when more people
> >   find it by doing allyesconfig or randconfig builds.
> > 
> > * If there is an actual build dependency between the driver and the
> >   platform that causes you to need the explicit Kconfig depends, that
> >   is in many cases a hint that the driver author is doing something
> >   wrong, like hardcoding MMIO addresses or referencing custom
> >   symbols exported by the platform.
> > 
> > I don't think anyone really objects your patch to introduce the extra
> > Kconfig symbol, but I'd hope that we can eventually get a consensus
> > on the idea that you shouldn't use Kconfig dependencies based on
> > whether a driver is relevant or not.
> 
> Arnd, Felipe,
> 
> You have convinced me.
> But I will have to remove the other dependencies that I mentioned before
> in the thread.
> 
> We can drop this patch.
I prefer to hide the platform specific driver other wise we will have a huge
menu entry in Kconfig with unrelated drivers that can not be used at all on
the selected mach

This is really annoying

Best Regards,
J.

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From: Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>
To: Nicolas Ferre <nicolas.ferre@atmel.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	balbi@ti.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, avictor.za@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] AT91: add AT91SAM9X5 dummy configuration variable
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:32:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110705053229.GC27909@game.jcrosoft.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E118679.4090908@atmel.com>

On 11:23 Mon 04 Jul     , Nicolas Ferre wrote:
> Le 02/07/2011 11:49, Arnd Bergmann :
> > On Wednesday 29 June 2011 17:24:42 Nicolas Ferre wrote:
> >>> Here are a few questions:
> >>> i) The drivers you're willing to send, are those for Atmel's IPs or are
> >>>       the IPs sourced from some other company ?
> >>> ii) Even if they are Atmel-specific, do you see the possibility of Atmel
> >>>       licensing them ?
> >>> iii) Does your driver current depend on asm/ or mach/ headers ?
> >>> iv) Is there a generic header which you could use instead of asm/ mach/ ?
> >>
> >> I just want to hide drivers that are not relevant for others: I have the feeling
> >> that it is a good practice. This tiny patch will ease this during my publication
> >> flow. Do you seriously care?
> > 
> > I think Felipe is right on this one, but both views are common in the kernel
> > today: Some people want dependencies to mean "you cannot build this driver
> > unless the dependencies are fulfilled", others like them more broadly to
> > mean "there is no point to ever enable this driver because I know you won't
> > need it".
> > 
> > Both views are understandable, but I favor the first one because
> > 
> > * it's the more common view these days and we should be consistent
> > 
> > * it exposes drivers to more build testing. If something changes in
> >   the kernel that exposes new warnings in your driver or causes a
> >   build error, that is more likely to get fixed when more people
> >   find it by doing allyesconfig or randconfig builds.
> > 
> > * If there is an actual build dependency between the driver and the
> >   platform that causes you to need the explicit Kconfig depends, that
> >   is in many cases a hint that the driver author is doing something
> >   wrong, like hardcoding MMIO addresses or referencing custom
> >   symbols exported by the platform.
> > 
> > I don't think anyone really objects your patch to introduce the extra
> > Kconfig symbol, but I'd hope that we can eventually get a consensus
> > on the idea that you shouldn't use Kconfig dependencies based on
> > whether a driver is relevant or not.
> 
> Arnd, Felipe,
> 
> You have convinced me.
> But I will have to remove the other dependencies that I mentioned before
> in the thread.
> 
> We can drop this patch.
I prefer to hide the platform specific driver other wise we will have a huge
menu entry in Kconfig with unrelated drivers that can not be used at all on
the selected mach

This is really annoying

Best Regards,
J.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-05  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-28 11:35 [PATCH] AT91: add AT91SAM9X5 dummy configuration variable Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-28 11:35 ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-28 10:35 ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-28 10:35   ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-28 12:13   ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-28 12:13     ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-28 12:26     ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-28 12:26       ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-28 16:02       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-06-28 16:02         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-06-29  9:30         ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-29  9:30           ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-29 15:24       ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-29 15:24         ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-06-29 15:39         ` Felipe Balbi
2011-06-29 15:39           ` Felipe Balbi
2011-07-02  9:49         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-02  9:49           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-04  9:23           ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-07-04  9:23             ` Nicolas Ferre
2011-07-05  5:32             ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD [this message]
2011-07-05  5:32               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-07-05 11:25               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-07-05 11:25                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-28 16:03 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2011-06-28 16:03   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD

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