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From: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
To: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	alan@linux.intel.com,
	Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: patch "TTY: remove tty_locked" added to tty tree
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:42:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824214201.GB30829@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E556CB7.2010102@suse.cz>

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:27:19PM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> On 08/24/2011 04:35 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 August 2011, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> >> On 08/24/2011 01:20 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >>> It's not clear to me what state->mutex protects in the serial_core, but
> >>> it has been around forever (used to be called state->sem)
> >>
> >> It was actually moved in uart_close back in 2003. Formerly (when there
> >> was only a coarse grained port_sem) it was right before uart_shutdown.
> >> But there were some flags to handle some races. I'm not sure whether the
> >> flags protected any race here though.
> > 
> > ok
> > 
> >>> and is held in
> >>> all uart functions, which is at least consistent. IIRC what Alan's plan
> >>> for this was, uart_close should eventually get changed to use
> >>> tty_port_close_start or even tty_port_close. Maybe the time for that has
> >>> come now, lacking better alternatives?
> >>
> >> Yes, I have such a patch in my queue. But it's not easy to get there.
> >> You may take a look at:
> >> http://decibel.fi.muni.cz/gitweb/?p=linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/devel
> >>
> >> But it's still far from ready. And yet, in the queue, I still have
> >> port->mutex locked before tty_port_close_start like it is now.
> > 
> > Ah, right. I still don't see why the port->mutex is or is not needed there,
> > and I think that's the main issue.
> > 
> > By comparison, getting *_wait_until_sent to be called without BTM seems
> > easy -- we know that all callers from ->close() hold it, while the ones
> > from ->ioctl() don't. We could have a helper like
> > 
> > void tty_wait_until_sent_from_close(struct tty_struct *tty, long timeout)
> > {
> > 	tty_unlock(); /* tty->ops->close holds the BTM, drop it while waiting */
> > 	tty_wait_until_sent(tty, timeout);
> > 	tty_lock();
> > }
> > 
> > to deal with that, if only we can sort the lock ordering with .
> 
> Ah, it looks like I just got the reason why port->mutex is locked in the
> top of uart_close. In uart, TTY_CLOSING flag is not used. So there is
> nothing to protect against races between ->close (the code between the
> two spinlock critical sections corresponding to port_close_start and
> _end) and ->open (block_til_ready).
> 
> Other than that I see no point for the lock to be in the beginning. So
> if we introduce CLOSING flag (I do that in my patches implicitly),
> everything should be OK:
> * port->count etc is and always was protected by the spinlock,
> * ->stop_rx stands as I wrote earlier.
> * uart_wait_until_sent -- that one is already called without port->mutex
> from set_termios and tty_set_ldisc.
> 
> So it looks like we should:
> - introduce CLOSING flag
> - move the lock below, before shutdown
> - introduce your magic _from_close helper
> - use it
> 
> Doing this after we have all the helpers in place would be easier. There
> would be no need to play with CLOSING bit. But there will be no option
> to backport this to stable trees then. And I know I will have to do that
> at least for 3.0.
> 
> Note that we may use the _from_close helper from tty_port_close_start
> almost instantly. All users should not hold port->mutex over
> tty_port_close_start. But I need to check. Tomorrow.
> 
> In the meantime, comments welcome.

So, is your original patch you sent in this thread still needed?

confused,

greg k-h

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From: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
To: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	alan@linux.intel.com,
	Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-m68k@vger.kernel.org,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Subject: Re: patch "TTY: remove tty_locked" added to tty tree
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:42:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110824214201.GB30829@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E556CB7.2010102@suse.cz>

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:27:19PM +0200, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> On 08/24/2011 04:35 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Wednesday 24 August 2011, Jiri Slaby wrote:
> >> On 08/24/2011 01:20 PM, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >>> It's not clear to me what state->mutex protects in the serial_core, but
> >>> it has been around forever (used to be called state->sem)
> >>
> >> It was actually moved in uart_close back in 2003. Formerly (when there
> >> was only a coarse grained port_sem) it was right before uart_shutdown.
> >> But there were some flags to handle some races. I'm not sure whether the
> >> flags protected any race here though.
> > 
> > ok
> > 
> >>> and is held in
> >>> all uart functions, which is at least consistent. IIRC what Alan's plan
> >>> for this was, uart_close should eventually get changed to use
> >>> tty_port_close_start or even tty_port_close. Maybe the time for that has
> >>> come now, lacking better alternatives?
> >>
> >> Yes, I have such a patch in my queue. But it's not easy to get there.
> >> You may take a look at:
> >> http://decibel.fi.muni.cz/gitweb/?p=linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/devel
> >>
> >> But it's still far from ready. And yet, in the queue, I still have
> >> port->mutex locked before tty_port_close_start like it is now.
> > 
> > Ah, right. I still don't see why the port->mutex is or is not needed there,
> > and I think that's the main issue.
> > 
> > By comparison, getting *_wait_until_sent to be called without BTM seems
> > easy -- we know that all callers from ->close() hold it, while the ones
> > from ->ioctl() don't. We could have a helper like
> > 
> > void tty_wait_until_sent_from_close(struct tty_struct *tty, long timeout)
> > {
> > 	tty_unlock(); /* tty->ops->close holds the BTM, drop it while waiting */
> > 	tty_wait_until_sent(tty, timeout);
> > 	tty_lock();
> > }
> > 
> > to deal with that, if only we can sort the lock ordering with .
> 
> Ah, it looks like I just got the reason why port->mutex is locked in the
> top of uart_close. In uart, TTY_CLOSING flag is not used. So there is
> nothing to protect against races between ->close (the code between the
> two spinlock critical sections corresponding to port_close_start and
> _end) and ->open (block_til_ready).
> 
> Other than that I see no point for the lock to be in the beginning. So
> if we introduce CLOSING flag (I do that in my patches implicitly),
> everything should be OK:
> * port->count etc is and always was protected by the spinlock,
> * ->stop_rx stands as I wrote earlier.
> * uart_wait_until_sent -- that one is already called without port->mutex
> from set_termios and tty_set_ldisc.
> 
> So it looks like we should:
> - introduce CLOSING flag
> - move the lock below, before shutdown
> - introduce your magic _from_close helper
> - use it
> 
> Doing this after we have all the helpers in place would be easier. There
> would be no need to play with CLOSING bit. But there will be no option
> to backport this to stable trees then. And I know I will have to do that
> at least for 3.0.
> 
> Note that we may use the _from_close helper from tty_port_close_start
> almost instantly. All users should not hold port->mutex over
> tty_port_close_start. But I need to check. Tomorrow.
> 
> In the meantime, comments welcome.

So, is your original patch you sent in this thread still needed?

confused,

greg k-h

  reply	other threads:[~2011-08-24 21:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <13141210141189@kroah.org>
2011-08-23 18:33 ` patch "TTY: remove tty_locked" added to tty tree Jiri Slaby
2011-08-23 18:46   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-23 18:54     ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24  8:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-24  9:31         ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24 11:20           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-24 11:47             ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24 14:35               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-24 14:35               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-24 21:27                 ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24 21:42                   ` Greg KH [this message]
2011-08-24 21:42                     ` Greg KH
2011-08-24 21:48                     ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24 21:54                       ` Greg KH
2011-08-24 21:54                         ` Greg KH
2011-08-24 21:48                     ` Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 13:12                   ` [PATCH 1/5] TTY: serial, use ASYNCB_CLOSING in uart_close Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 13:12                     ` [PATCH 2/5] TTY: serial, move locking " Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 13:12                     ` [PATCH 3/5] TTY: define tty_wait_until_sent_from_close Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 13:12                     ` [PATCH 4/5] TTY: use tty_wait_until_sent_from_close in tty_port_close_start Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 13:12                     ` [PATCH 5/5] TTY: use tty_wait_until_sent_from_close in other drivers Jiri Slaby
2011-08-25 15:15                     ` [PATCH 1/5] TTY: serial, use ASYNCB_CLOSING in uart_close Arnd Bergmann
2011-08-24 21:27                 ` patch "TTY: remove tty_locked" added to tty tree Jiri Slaby
2011-08-24 15:53             ` Alan Cox

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