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From: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Cc: "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 00:25:26 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111005212526.GD14406@localhost.pp.htv.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111005200944.GB12876@suse.de>

On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 01:09:44PM -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 10:50:24PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > [1] I did check what Greg recommended in his email, but I'm not gonna 
> >     wipe my complete installation (including wiping /home) unless 
> >     someone can point at something indicating that there's a break-in
> >     at my machine.
> 
> What would you consider "proof" of a break-in on your machine that would
> cause you to be willing to reinstall it?

There is no clear definition.

Had debsums told me that /bin/bash was modified I would have been quite 
convinced.

Externally observed suspicious behavior of my machine I could not explain.

Or many other things - after all I am a person with some basic 
understanding of security and how computers work.

When I am convinced there was a break-in on my machine, I also have to 
assume that all important and not so important accounts I have anywhere 
(from unbelievably many Bugzilla accounts to machines where I have root
access) are also compromised, and have to act accordingly.

It is possible to convince me that there was likely a break-in on my 
machine, but I am not assuming the worst case automatically, and for 
going through that horror of assuming it happened I need to see 
something clearly pointing at my machine.

> greg k-h

cu
Adrian

-- 

       "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out
        of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days.
       "Only a promise," Lao Er said.
                                       Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed


  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-05 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-30 23:50 kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-30 23:59 ` kernel.org status: hints on how to check your machine for intrusion Greg KH
2011-10-01  1:15   ` David Miller
2011-10-01  4:54     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01  7:35   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 14:07     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 18:06     ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:13       ` David Miller
2011-10-01 18:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:34           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 21:23             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-01 21:30               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  9:28                 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-10-01 18:40         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:45         ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03  9:47           ` gmack
2011-10-01 22:06       ` Frank A. Kingswood
2011-10-03  9:49         ` gmack
2011-10-01 14:17   ` akwatts
2011-10-01 14:28     ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 16:29       ` Andy
2011-10-01 16:56       ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 17:19         ` Andy
2011-10-01 17:54           ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 22:32             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 17:54           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 18:40             ` Andy
2011-10-01 19:06               ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 19:24                 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 20:07                   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:29                     ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 20:32                       ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:24                 ` Andy
2011-10-01 22:43               ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02  0:10                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02  5:35                   ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02  1:58                 ` tmhikaru
2011-10-02  2:26                   ` Greg KH
2011-10-02  3:30                     ` Andy
2011-10-02  4:39                       ` Greg KH
2011-10-02  6:59                         ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 12:03                         ` Andy
2011-10-02 18:27                           ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-11  1:16                           ` Andrew Watts
2011-10-02  3:31                     ` tmhikaru
2011-10-07  9:28   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-13  2:34   ` Re " Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-13 10:59   ` Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-18 15:13   ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-18 15:21     ` Greg KH
2011-10-18 16:08       ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-01 14:05 ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Greg KH
2011-10-01 22:07   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:26     ` Greg KH
2011-10-02 23:02   ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
2011-10-02 23:09     ` Greg KH
2011-10-03  9:14   ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03 14:13     ` Greg KH
2011-10-03 15:09       ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:27   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 22:36     ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-01 22:52       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-02  1:04     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02  1:04       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 11:54         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 17:53           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:19               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:39                 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:02                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:24                     ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:29                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:24               ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-02 18:31               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 20:42                   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  9:32             ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-03 16:28               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-03 18:04                 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 20:29                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-04 22:39                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 23:17                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-05  4:37                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05  7:54                         ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 17:06                           ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-05 19:23                             ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 19:50                               ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:09                                 ` Greg KH
2011-10-05 21:25                                   ` Adrian Bunk [this message]
2011-10-05 23:47                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-06  7:16                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 23:57                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06  0:07                                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-06  0:18                                 ` Chris Friesen
2011-10-06  7:30                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 17:19                                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06  8:04                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 10:22                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 11:10                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 11:05                                   ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-06 11:19                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05  4:23                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05 20:00                       ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 20:19                         ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:36                           ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 23:55                             ` Greg KH
2011-10-06  0:23                               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06  0:50                                 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06  5:25                                   ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 13:44                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 14:43                                     ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06 10:05                           ` Alan Cox
2011-10-06 17:05                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 15:58                     ` Jon Masters
2011-10-06 17:39                       ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:45                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 17:52                           ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:48                         ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 18:08                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 18:14                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 19:50                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 22:16                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-07 16:29                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-07 16:59                             ` Greg KH
2011-10-07 16:59                             ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-07 18:22                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08  5:02                             ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 14:36                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08 15:28                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-10-08 15:48                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 17:59                                 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 21:06                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 21:09                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-09  3:01                                     ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 15:44                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 15:16                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-05 19:43               ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-02 18:36           ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-02 22:46             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-02 23:16               ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-03  0:24               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 22:54             ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-02 22:58               ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 23:23                 ` Olof Johansson
2011-10-02 23:27                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  0:44                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03  1:00                       ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-03  1:00                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03  1:09                       ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  1:21                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03  1:22                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  1:42                           ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03  1:43                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03  3:15                               ` Geoff Levand
2011-10-03  3:29                                 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  3:38                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03  3:54                                     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  4:02                                       ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03  4:33                                         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03  0:43               ` Lee Mathers
2011-10-03  9:53               ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-04 22:34                 ` Ralf Baechle
2011-10-05 19:12                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2011-10-06 13:27                     ` Cambridge, UK key signing meeting. Thursday 13th Oct Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-11 16:33                       ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-02 18:20     ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03  1:18 ` Ben Pfaff
2011-10-03  1:49   ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 11:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-03 22:56   ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-04  4:49     ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04  4:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04  5:11         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04 16:37           ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04  7:15         ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 19:23         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06  3:14         ` John Johansen
2011-10-06  4:49           ` hpanvin@gmail.com
2011-10-04 12:51   ` Heiko Carstens
2011-10-04 22:02     ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 22:04       ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-05  0:27     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 17:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 18:22 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 18:31   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06 21:19     ` [Warsaw Poland] " Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 21:37       ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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