From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Chris Friesen <chris.friesen@genband.com>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>, "Ted Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>
Subject: Re: kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 09:30:47 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1110060913360.18778@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E8CF3C9.3080908@genband.com>
On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Chris Friesen wrote:
> On 10/05/2011 05:57 PM, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Oct 2011, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> > > Or if I have to bother Linus to meet me and sign my key the next
> > > time he is here in Helsinki.
> >
> > And how would that change the fact that your personal trust value in
> > this community is exactly ZERO?
> >
> > As your idea of trust seems to be based on an ID card you better find
> > some other place with people who are stupid enough to believe that
> > technical measures can replace deep personal trust.
>
> Aren't you sort of conflating personal trust with a web-of-trust?
No, I'm fighting the idiocy that people seem to believe that a web of
signed keys has any value other than technically establishing the
identity of a person.
> A web-of-trust exists simply to associate a person with a key. It *is* a
> technical measure. If Linus is willing to assert that Adrian's key matches up
> with Adrian-as-individual, and you trust Linus, then you should accept
> Adrian's key as valid regardless of whether or not you personally trust him.
If Linus signs his key, then all it means is that I can be sure to a
certain degree that the person who is using the key is Adrian. But
it's neither a free ticket for a k.org account nor does it have any
other meaning.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-06 7:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-30 23:50 kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust H. Peter Anvin
2011-09-30 23:59 ` kernel.org status: hints on how to check your machine for intrusion Greg KH
2011-10-01 1:15 ` David Miller
2011-10-01 4:54 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 7:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 14:07 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 18:06 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:13 ` David Miller
2011-10-01 18:29 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:34 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 21:23 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-01 21:30 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 9:28 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2011-10-01 18:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 18:45 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03 9:47 ` gmack
2011-10-01 22:06 ` Frank A. Kingswood
2011-10-03 9:49 ` gmack
2011-10-01 14:17 ` akwatts
2011-10-01 14:28 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 16:29 ` Andy
2011-10-01 16:56 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 17:19 ` Andy
2011-10-01 17:54 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 22:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 17:54 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 18:40 ` Andy
2011-10-01 19:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 19:24 ` Greg KH
2011-10-01 20:07 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-10-01 20:32 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 20:24 ` Andy
2011-10-01 22:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 0:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 5:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 1:58 ` tmhikaru
2011-10-02 2:26 ` Greg KH
2011-10-02 3:30 ` Andy
2011-10-02 4:39 ` Greg KH
2011-10-02 6:59 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 12:03 ` Andy
2011-10-02 18:27 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-11 1:16 ` Andrew Watts
2011-10-02 3:31 ` tmhikaru
2011-10-07 9:28 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-10-13 2:34 ` Re " Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-13 10:59 ` Matthew W.S. Bell
2011-10-18 15:13 ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-18 15:21 ` Greg KH
2011-10-18 16:08 ` Jean Delvare
2011-10-01 14:05 ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Greg KH
2011-10-01 22:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:26 ` Greg KH
2011-10-02 23:02 ` Nobuhiro Iwamatsu
2011-10-02 23:09 ` Greg KH
2011-10-03 9:14 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-03 14:13 ` Greg KH
2011-10-03 15:09 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-10-01 21:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-01 22:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-01 22:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-01 22:52 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-02 1:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 1:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 17:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 18:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:24 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-02 19:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 18:24 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-02 18:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 19:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-02 20:42 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 9:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-03 16:28 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-03 18:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 20:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-04 22:39 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-04 23:17 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2011-10-05 4:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05 7:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 17:06 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-05 19:23 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 19:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:09 ` Greg KH
2011-10-05 21:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 23:47 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-06 7:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 23:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 0:07 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-06 0:18 ` Chris Friesen
2011-10-06 7:30 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2011-10-06 17:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 8:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 10:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-10-06 11:10 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 11:05 ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-06 11:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 4:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-05 20:00 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 20:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-05 20:36 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-05 23:55 ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 0:23 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06 0:50 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06 5:25 ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 13:44 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 14:43 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-06 10:05 ` Alan Cox
2011-10-06 17:05 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 15:58 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-06 17:39 ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:45 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 17:52 ` Mark Brown
2011-10-06 17:48 ` Greg KH
2011-10-06 18:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 18:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-06 19:50 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-06 22:16 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-07 16:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-07 16:59 ` Greg KH
2011-10-07 16:59 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-07 18:22 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08 5:02 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 14:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-08 15:28 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2011-10-08 15:48 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 17:59 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 21:06 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 21:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-09 3:01 ` Jon Masters
2011-10-08 15:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-08 15:16 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-05 19:43 ` Arnaud Lacombe
2011-10-02 18:36 ` Randy Dunlap
2011-10-02 22:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-10-02 23:16 ` Josh Boyer
2011-10-03 0:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 22:54 ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-02 22:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-02 23:23 ` Olof Johansson
2011-10-02 23:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 0:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03 1:00 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03 1:00 ` Guenter Roeck
2011-10-03 1:09 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03 1:21 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-10-03 1:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 1:42 ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03 1:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 3:15 ` Geoff Levand
2011-10-03 3:29 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03 3:38 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2011-10-03 3:54 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03 4:02 ` Andrew Morton
2011-10-03 4:33 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-03 0:43 ` Lee Mathers
2011-10-03 9:53 ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-04 22:34 ` Ralf Baechle
2011-10-05 19:12 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2011-10-06 13:27 ` Cambridge, UK key signing meeting. Thursday 13th Oct Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-11 16:33 ` Jonathan Cameron
2011-10-02 18:20 ` kernel.org status: establishing a PGP web of trust Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 1:18 ` Ben Pfaff
2011-10-03 1:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-03 11:19 ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-03 22:56 ` Josh Triplett
2011-10-04 4:49 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04 4:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04 5:11 ` Ted Ts'o
2011-10-04 16:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-04 7:15 ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 19:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06 3:14 ` John Johansen
2011-10-06 4:49 ` hpanvin@gmail.com
2011-10-04 12:51 ` Heiko Carstens
2011-10-04 22:02 ` Jiri Kosina
2011-10-04 22:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-10-05 0:27 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2011-10-03 17:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2011-10-06 18:22 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 18:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2011-10-06 21:19 ` [Warsaw Poland] " Krzysztof Halasa
2011-10-06 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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