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From: rmorell@nvidia.com (Robert Morell)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC v2 1/2] dma-buf: Introduce dma buffer sharing mechanism
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:44:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111212224408.GD4355@morell.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EE33EC2.6050508@redhat.com>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:13:06AM -0800, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> On 09-12-2011 20:50, Robert Morell wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 09:18:48AM -0800, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >> On Friday 02 December 2011, Sumit Semwal wrote:
> >>> This is the first step in defining a dma buffer sharing mechanism.
> >>
> > [...]
> >>
> >>> +	return dmabuf;
> >>> +}
> >>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(dma_buf_export);
> >>
> >> I agree with Konrad, this should definitely be EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL,
> >> because it's really a low-level function that I would expect
> >> to get used by in-kernel subsystems providing the feature to
> >> users and having back-end drivers, but it's not the kind of thing
> >> we want out-of-tree drivers to mess with.
> >
> > Is this really necessary?  If this is intended to be a
> > lowest-common-denominator between many drivers to allow buffer sharing,
> > it seems like it needs to be able to be usable by all drivers.
> >
> > If the interface is not accessible then I fear many drivers will be
> > forced to continue to roll their own buffer sharing mechanisms (which is
> > exactly what we're trying to avoid here, needless to say).
> 
> Doing a buffer sharing with something that is not GPL is not fun, as, if any
> issue rises there, it would be impossible to discover if the problem is either
> at the closed-source driver or at the open source one. At the time I was using
> the Nvidia proprietary driver, it was very common to have unexplained issues
> caused likely by bad code there at the buffer management code, causing X
> applications and extensions (like xv) to break.
>
> We should really make this EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(), in order to be able to latter
> debug future share buffer issues, when needed.

Sorry, I don't buy this argument.  Making these exports GPL-only is not
likely to cause anybody to open-source their driver, but will rather
just cause them to use yet more closed-source code that is even less
debuggable than this would be, to those without access to the source.

Thanks,
Robert

> Regards,
> Mauro

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Robert Morell <rmorell@nvidia.com>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@ti.com>,
	"linux@arm.linux.org.uk" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"jesse.barker@linaro.org" <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"daniel@ffwll.ch" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC v2 1/2] dma-buf: Introduce dma buffer sharing mechanism
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:44:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111212224408.GD4355@morell.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EE33EC2.6050508@redhat.com>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:13:06AM -0800, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> On 09-12-2011 20:50, Robert Morell wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 09:18:48AM -0800, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >> On Friday 02 December 2011, Sumit Semwal wrote:
> >>> This is the first step in defining a dma buffer sharing mechanism.
> >>
> > [...]
> >>
> >>> +	return dmabuf;
> >>> +}
> >>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(dma_buf_export);
> >>
> >> I agree with Konrad, this should definitely be EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL,
> >> because it's really a low-level function that I would expect
> >> to get used by in-kernel subsystems providing the feature to
> >> users and having back-end drivers, but it's not the kind of thing
> >> we want out-of-tree drivers to mess with.
> >
> > Is this really necessary?  If this is intended to be a
> > lowest-common-denominator between many drivers to allow buffer sharing,
> > it seems like it needs to be able to be usable by all drivers.
> >
> > If the interface is not accessible then I fear many drivers will be
> > forced to continue to roll their own buffer sharing mechanisms (which is
> > exactly what we're trying to avoid here, needless to say).
> 
> Doing a buffer sharing with something that is not GPL is not fun, as, if any
> issue rises there, it would be impossible to discover if the problem is either
> at the closed-source driver or at the open source one. At the time I was using
> the Nvidia proprietary driver, it was very common to have unexplained issues
> caused likely by bad code there at the buffer management code, causing X
> applications and extensions (like xv) to break.
>
> We should really make this EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(), in order to be able to latter
> debug future share buffer issues, when needed.

Sorry, I don't buy this argument.  Making these exports GPL-only is not
likely to cause anybody to open-source their driver, but will rather
just cause them to use yet more closed-source code that is even less
debuggable than this would be, to those without access to the source.

Thanks,
Robert

> Regards,
> Mauro

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Robert Morell <rmorell@nvidia.com>
To: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@ti.com>,
	"linux@arm.linux.org.uk" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"jesse.barker@linaro.org" <jesse.barker@linaro.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"daniel@ffwll.ch" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC v2 1/2] dma-buf: Introduce dma buffer sharing mechanism
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:44:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111212224408.GD4355@morell.nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EE33EC2.6050508@redhat.com>

On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 03:13:06AM -0800, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> On 09-12-2011 20:50, Robert Morell wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 09:18:48AM -0800, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >> On Friday 02 December 2011, Sumit Semwal wrote:
> >>> This is the first step in defining a dma buffer sharing mechanism.
> >>
> > [...]
> >>
> >>> +	return dmabuf;
> >>> +}
> >>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(dma_buf_export);
> >>
> >> I agree with Konrad, this should definitely be EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL,
> >> because it's really a low-level function that I would expect
> >> to get used by in-kernel subsystems providing the feature to
> >> users and having back-end drivers, but it's not the kind of thing
> >> we want out-of-tree drivers to mess with.
> >
> > Is this really necessary?  If this is intended to be a
> > lowest-common-denominator between many drivers to allow buffer sharing,
> > it seems like it needs to be able to be usable by all drivers.
> >
> > If the interface is not accessible then I fear many drivers will be
> > forced to continue to roll their own buffer sharing mechanisms (which is
> > exactly what we're trying to avoid here, needless to say).
> 
> Doing a buffer sharing with something that is not GPL is not fun, as, if any
> issue rises there, it would be impossible to discover if the problem is either
> at the closed-source driver or at the open source one. At the time I was using
> the Nvidia proprietary driver, it was very common to have unexplained issues
> caused likely by bad code there at the buffer management code, causing X
> applications and extensions (like xv) to break.
>
> We should really make this EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(), in order to be able to latter
> debug future share buffer issues, when needed.

Sorry, I don't buy this argument.  Making these exports GPL-only is not
likely to cause anybody to open-source their driver, but will rather
just cause them to use yet more closed-source code that is even less
debuggable than this would be, to those without access to the source.

Thanks,
Robert

> Regards,
> Mauro

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-12 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-02  8:57 [RFC v2 0/2] Introduce DMA buffer sharing mechanism Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02  8:57 ` Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02  8:57 ` Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02  8:57 ` [RFC v2 1/2] dma-buf: Introduce dma " Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02  8:57   ` Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02 17:11   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-12-02 17:11     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-12-02 17:11     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2011-12-05  9:48     ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-05  9:48       ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-05  9:48       ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-05 17:18   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 17:18     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 17:18     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 18:55     ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 18:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 18:55       ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 19:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 19:29         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 19:29         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 20:58         ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 20:58           ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 20:58           ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:04           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:04             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:04             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:33             ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:33               ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:33               ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 20:46     ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 20:46       ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 20:46       ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 21:23       ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 21:23         ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 21:23         ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:11         ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:11           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:11           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:33           ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:33             ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-05 22:33             ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-06 13:16           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-06 13:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-06 13:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-06 15:28             ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-06 15:28               ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-06 15:28               ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-07 13:27           ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 13:27             ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 13:27             ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 13:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 13:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 13:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-08 21:44               ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2011-12-08 21:44                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-08 21:44                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-09 14:13                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-09 14:13                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-09 14:13                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-09 14:24                   ` Alan Cox
2011-12-09 14:24                     ` Alan Cox
2011-12-09 14:24                     ` Alan Cox
2011-12-10  4:01                     ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-10  4:01                       ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-10  4:01                       ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-12 16:48                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-12 16:48                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-12 16:48                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-19  6:16                         ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-19  6:16                           ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-19  6:16                           ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-20 15:41                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20 15:41                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20 15:41                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20 16:41                             ` Rob Clark
2011-12-20 16:41                               ` Rob Clark
2011-12-20 16:41                               ` Rob Clark
2011-12-20 17:14                               ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-20 17:14                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-20 17:14                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-20 17:14                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-21 17:27                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-21 17:27                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-21 17:27                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-21 19:04                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-21 19:04                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-21 19:04                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2011-12-23 10:00                                   ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-23 10:00                                     ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-23 10:00                                     ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-23 17:10                                     ` Rob Clark
2011-12-23 17:10                                       ` Rob Clark
2011-12-23 17:10                                       ` Rob Clark
2011-12-20  9:03                   ` Sakari Ailus
2011-12-20  9:03                     ` Sakari Ailus
2011-12-20  9:03                     ` Sakari Ailus
2011-12-20 15:36                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20 15:36                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20 15:36                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-01-01 20:53                       ` Sakari Ailus
2012-01-01 20:53                         ` Sakari Ailus
2012-01-01 20:53                         ` Sakari Ailus
2012-01-01 23:12                         ` Rob Clark
2012-01-01 23:12                           ` Rob Clark
2012-01-01 23:12                           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-13 13:33                 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-12-13 13:33                   ` Hans Verkuil
2011-12-13 13:33                   ` Hans Verkuil
2011-12-05 22:09       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:09         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:09         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:09         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-05 22:15         ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:15           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:15           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:35         ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:35           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-05 22:35           ` Rob Clark
2011-12-07  6:35     ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07  6:35       ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07  6:35       ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 10:11       ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 10:11         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 10:11         ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 11:02         ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 11:02           ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 11:02           ` Semwal, Sumit
2011-12-07 11:34           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 11:34             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-07 11:34             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-09 22:50     ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Robert Morell
2011-12-09 22:50       ` Robert Morell
2011-12-09 22:50       ` Robert Morell
2011-12-10 11:13       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-12-10 11:13         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-12-10 11:13         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-12-12 22:44         ` Robert Morell [this message]
2011-12-12 22:44           ` Robert Morell
2011-12-12 22:44           ` Robert Morell
2011-12-13 15:10           ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-13 15:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-13 15:10             ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-12-20  2:05             ` Robert Morell
2011-12-20  2:05               ` Robert Morell
2011-12-20  2:05               ` Robert Morell
2011-12-20 14:29               ` Anca Emanuel
2011-12-20 14:29                 ` Anca Emanuel
2011-12-20 14:29                 ` Anca Emanuel
2012-01-09  6:20   ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09  6:20     ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09  6:20     ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09  8:10     ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09  8:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09  8:10       ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09  8:11       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Dave Airlie
2012-01-09  8:11         ` Dave Airlie
2012-01-09  8:11         ` Dave Airlie
2012-01-09 10:10       ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 10:10         ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 10:10         ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 10:27         ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 10:27           ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 10:27           ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 12:06           ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 12:06             ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 12:06             ` InKi Dae
2012-01-09 16:02             ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 16:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 16:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2012-01-09 15:17         ` Rob Clark
2012-01-09 15:17           ` Rob Clark
2012-01-09 15:17           ` Rob Clark
2012-01-10  1:34           ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  1:34             ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  1:34             ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  2:14             ` Rob Clark
2012-01-10  2:14               ` Rob Clark
2012-01-10  2:14               ` Rob Clark
2012-01-10  6:09               ` Semwal, Sumit
2012-01-10  6:09                 ` Semwal, Sumit
2012-01-10  6:09                 ` Semwal, Sumit
2012-01-10  7:28                 ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  7:28                   ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  7:28                   ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  9:19                   ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  9:19                     ` InKi Dae
2012-01-10  9:19                     ` InKi Dae
2012-01-11  1:08               ` InKi Dae
2012-01-11  1:08                 ` InKi Dae
2012-01-11  1:08                 ` InKi Dae
2011-12-02  8:57 ` [RFC v2 2/2] dma-buf: Documentation for buffer sharing framework Sumit Semwal
2011-12-02  8:57   ` Sumit Semwal

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