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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Vince Weaver <vweaver1@eecs.utk.edu>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>,
	Benjamin Block <bebl@mageta.org>,
	Hans Rosenfeld <hans.rosenfeld@amd.com>,
	hpa@zytor.com, tglx@linutronix.de, suresh.b.siddha@intel.com,
	eranian@google.com, brgerst@gmail.com, Andreas.Herrmann3@amd.com,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Benjamin Block <benjamin.block@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/5] x86, perf: implements lwp-perf-integration (rc1)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:00:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20111221120055.GA4040@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1112201740280.18984@cl320.eecs.utk.edu>


* Vince Weaver <vweaver1@eecs.utk.edu> wrote:

> > But as we told you previously, you could use RDPMC under 
> > perf as well, last i checked PeterZ posted experimental 
> > patches for that. Peter, what's the status of that?
> 
> yes.  If you checked the benchmark results I showed, you'd 
> have seen that I run tests against that patchset too, and it's 
> really only marginally better that the current perf_event 
> stuff.  I might have written the benchmark poorly, [...]

It is significantly faster for the self-monitoring case - which 
is a pretty niche usecase btw.

Have a look at how the 'perf test' self-test utilizes RDPMC in 
these commits in tip:perf/fast:

 08aa0d1f376e: perf tools: Add x86 RDPMC, RDTSC test
 e3f3541c19c8: perf: Extend the mmap control page with time (TSC) fields
 0c9d42ed4cee: perf, x86: Provide means for disabling userspace RDPMC
 fe4a330885ae: perf, x86: Implement user-space RDPMC support, to allow fast, user-space access to self-monitoring counters
 365a4038486b: perf: Fix mmap_page::offset computation
 35edc2a5095e: perf, arch: Rework perf_event_index()
 9a0f05cb3688: perf: Update the mmap control page on mmap()

You can find these commits in today's -tip. Overhead should be 
somewhere around 50 cycles per call (i suspect it could 
optimized more), which is a fraction of what a syscall is 
costing.

> [...] but that's mainly because as-posted the documentation 
> for how to use that patchset is a bit unclear.

In your world there's always someone else to blame.

The thing is, *you* are interested in this niche feature, PeterZ 
not so much.

You made a false claim that perf cannot use RDPMC and PeterZ has 
proven you wrong once again. Your almost non-stop whining and 
the constant misrepresentations you make are not very 
productive.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-21 12:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-29 12:41 [PATCH 0/9] rework of extended state handling, LWP support Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 1/9] x86, xsave: warn on #NM exceptions caused by the kernel Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 2/9] x86, xsave: cleanup fpu/xsave support Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 3/9] x86, xsave: cleanup fpu/xsave signal frame setup Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 4/9] x86, xsave: rework fpu/xsave support Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 5/9] x86, xsave: remove unused code Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 6/9] x86, xsave: more cleanups Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 7/9] x86, xsave: remove lazy allocation of xstate area Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 8/9] x86, xsave: add support for non-lazy xstates Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 12:41 ` [PATCH 9/9] x86, xsave: add kernel support for AMDs Lightweight Profiling (LWP) Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-29 21:31 ` [PATCH 0/9] rework of extended state handling, LWP support Andi Kleen
2011-11-30 17:37   ` Hans Rosenfeld
2011-11-30 21:52     ` Andi Kleen
2011-12-01 20:36       ` Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-02  2:01         ` H. Peter Anvin
2011-12-02 11:20           ` Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-07 19:57             ` Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-07 20:00               ` [PATCH 7/8] x86, xsave: add support for non-lazy xstates Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-07 20:00                 ` [PATCH 8/8] x86, xsave: add kernel support for AMDs Lightweight Profiling (LWP) Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-05 10:22 ` [PATCH 0/9] rework of extended state handling, LWP support Ingo Molnar
2011-12-16 16:07   ` Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-16 16:12     ` [RFC 1/5] x86, perf: Implement software-activation of lwp Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-16 16:12       ` [RFC 2/5] perf: adds prototype for a new perf-context-type Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-16 16:12       ` [RFC 3/5] perf: adds a new pmu-initialization-call Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-16 16:12       ` [RFC 4/5] x86, perf: implements lwp-perf-integration (rc1) Hans Rosenfeld
2011-12-18  8:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-18 15:22           ` Benjamin Block
2011-12-18 23:43             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-19  9:09               ` Robert Richter
2011-12-19 10:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-19 11:12                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-19 11:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-19 11:58                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-19 18:13                         ` Benjamin
2011-12-20  8:56                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-20  9:15                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-20  9:47                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-20 10:09                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-20 15:27                               ` Joerg Roedel
2011-12-20 18:40                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-21  0:07                                   ` Joerg Roedel
2011-12-21 12:34                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-21 12:44                                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-21 13:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-21 22:49                                           ` Joerg Roedel
2011-12-23 10:53                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-21 11:46                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-12-23 10:56                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-20 15:48                           ` Vince Weaver
2011-12-20 18:27                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-12-20 22:47                               ` Vince Weaver
2011-12-21 12:00                                 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-12-21 13:55                                   ` Vince Weaver
2011-12-16 16:12       ` [RFC 5/5] x86, perf: adds support for the LWP threshold-int Hans Rosenfeld

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