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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Surbhi Palande <csurbhi@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
	Kamal Mostafa <kamal@canonical.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Valerie Aurora <val@vaaconsulting.com>,
	Christopher Chaltain <christopher.chaltain@canonical.com>,
	"Peter M. Petrakis" <peter.petrakis@canonical.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Surbhi Palande <surbhi.palande@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/7] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:51:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120111005119.GA24005@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMBkX3e_jyTZ=i8D8_cza23Xygd+Gf5iACZ+hbo5TaYLrJPH-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 10-01-12 16:13:46, Surbhi Palande wrote:
> >> If all the write operations were journaled, then this patch would not allow
> >> ext4 filesystem to have any dirty data after its frozen.
> >> (as journal_start() would block).
> >>
> >>  I think the only one candidate that creates dirty data without calling
> >> ext4_journal_start() is mmapped?
> >  No, the problem is in any write path. The problem is with operations
> > that happen during the phase when s_frozen == SB_FREEZE_WRITE. These
> > operations dirty the filesystem but running sync may easily miss them.
> > During this phase journal is not frozen so that does not help you in any
> > way.
> >
> >                                                                Honza
> 
> Ok! No new transaction can really start after the journal is frozen.
> But we can have dirty data after SB_FREEZE_WRITE and before
> SB_FREEZE_TRANS.
> I agree with you. However, can this be fixed by adding a
> sync_filesystem() in freeze_super() after the sb->s_op->freeze_fs() is
> over?
  The problem with this is that to do writeback you need to start a
transaction. So you would deadlock.

> So then essentially, when freeze_super() returns, the page cache is clean?
> 
> I do definitely agree that the fix is to add a lock for mutual
> exclusion between freeze filesystem and writes to a frozen filesystem.
  Yes, that would be the cleanest solution but it's quite some work.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR
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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Surbhi Palande <csurbhi@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Eric Sandeen <sandeen@sandeen.net>,
	Kamal Mostafa <kamal@canonical.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andreas Dilger <adilger.kernel@dilger.ca>,
	Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Valerie Aurora <val@vaaconsulting.com>,
	Christopher Chaltain <christopher.chaltain@canonical.com>,
	"Peter M. Petrakis" <peter.petrakis@canonical.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Surbhi Palande <surbhi.palande@canonical.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/7] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:51:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120111005119.GA24005@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMBkX3e_jyTZ=i8D8_cza23Xygd+Gf5iACZ+hbo5TaYLrJPH-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 10-01-12 16:13:46, Surbhi Palande wrote:
> >> If all the write operations were journaled, then this patch would not allow
> >> ext4 filesystem to have any dirty data after its frozen.
> >> (as journal_start() would block).
> >>
> >>  I think the only one candidate that creates dirty data without calling
> >> ext4_journal_start() is mmapped?
> >  No, the problem is in any write path. The problem is with operations
> > that happen during the phase when s_frozen == SB_FREEZE_WRITE. These
> > operations dirty the filesystem but running sync may easily miss them.
> > During this phase journal is not frozen so that does not help you in any
> > way.
> >
> >                                                                Honza
> 
> Ok! No new transaction can really start after the journal is frozen.
> But we can have dirty data after SB_FREEZE_WRITE and before
> SB_FREEZE_TRANS.
> I agree with you. However, can this be fixed by adding a
> sync_filesystem() in freeze_super() after the sb->s_op->freeze_fs() is
> over?
  The problem with this is that to do writeback you need to start a
transaction. So you would deadlock.

> So then essentially, when freeze_super() returns, the page cache is clean?
> 
> I do definitely agree that the fix is to add a lock for mutual
> exclusion between freeze filesystem and writes to a frozen filesystem.
  Yes, that would be the cleanest solution but it's quite some work.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-11  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-08 18:04 [PATCH v2 0/7] fix s_umount thaw/write and journal deadlock Kamal Mostafa
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/7] Adding support to freeze and unfreeze a journal Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-10 20:20   ` Eric Sandeen
2012-01-10 21:31     ` Jan Kara
2012-01-10 21:55       ` Surbhi Palande
     [not found]       ` <CAMBkX3eVeKSmEzmYTe6Oe_D6kAMQTL5LYoi1-Axj7CcrM85Pow@mail.gmail.com>
2012-01-11  0:04         ` Jan Kara
2012-01-11  0:13           ` Surbhi Palande
2012-01-11  0:51             ` Jan Kara [this message]
2012-01-11  0:51               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-11  5:38             ` Surbhi Palande
2012-01-11  6:06               ` Surbhi Palande
2012-01-11 12:10               ` Jan Kara
2012-01-11 16:45                 ` Surbhi Palande
2012-01-11 18:13                   ` Jan Kara
2012-01-11  3:08       ` Eric Sandeen
2012-01-10 22:00     ` Surbhi Palande
2012-01-10 22:00       ` Surbhi Palande
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/7] Freeze and thaw the journal on ext4 freeze Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  0:32   ` Jan Kara
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 3/7] VFS: Fix s_umount thaw/write deadlock Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  1:50   ` Jan Kara
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 4/7] VFS: Rename and refactor writeback_inodes_sb_if_idle Kamal Mostafa
2011-12-13  3:34   ` Miao Xie
2011-12-15  7:10     ` Miao Xie
2011-12-16 20:48     ` Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  0:33   ` Jan Kara
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 5/7] VFS: Avoid read-write deadlock in try_to_writeback_inodes_sb Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  0:35   ` Jan Kara
2012-01-11 20:29     ` Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-12 15:53       ` Mikulas Patocka
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 6/7] VFS: Document s_frozen state through freeze_super Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  0:36   ` Jan Kara
2011-12-08 18:04 ` [PATCH v2 7/7] Documentation: Correct s_umount state for freeze_fs/unfreeze_fs Kamal Mostafa
2012-01-06  0:36   ` Jan Kara

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