From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 -mm 1/3] mm: reclaim at order 0 when compaction is enabled
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:07:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120125160752.GE3901@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F201F60.8080808@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:27:28AM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 01/25/2012 10:00 AM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> >On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 01:21:36PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >>When built with CONFIG_COMPACTION, kswapd does not try to free
> >>contiguous pages.
> >
> >balance_pgdat() gets its order from wakeup_kswapd(). This does not apply
> >to THP because kswapd does not get woken for THP but it should be woken
> >up for allocations like jumbo frames or order-1.
>
> In the kernel I run at home, I wake up kswapd for THP
> as well. This is a larger change, which Andrea asked
> me to delay submitting upstream for a bit.
>
Ok, good call. Waking kswapd up for THP is still premature.
> So far there seem to be no ill effects. I'll continue
> watching for them.
>
> >As kswapd does no memory compaction itself, this patch still makes
> >sense but I found the changelog misleading.
>
> Fair enough. I will adjust the changelog.
>
Thanks.
> ><SNIP>
> >The second effect of this change is a non-obvious side-effect. kswapd
> >will now isolate fewer pages per cycle because it will isolate
> >SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX pages instead of SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX<<order which it
> >potentially does currently. This is not wrong as such and may be
> >desirable to limit how much reclaim kswapd does but potentially it
> >impacts success rates for compaction. As this does not apply to THP,
> >it will be difficult to detect but bear in mind if we see an increase
> >in high-order allocation failures after this patch is merged. I am
> >not suggesting a change here but it would be nice to note in the
> >changelog if there is a new version of this patch.
>
> Good point. I am running with THP waking up kswapd, and
> things seem to behave (and compaction seems to succeed),
> but we might indeed want to change balance_pgdat to free
> more pages for higher order allocations.
>
> Maybe this is the place to check (in balanced_pgdat) ?
>
> /*
> * We do this so kswapd doesn't build up large
> priorities for
> * example when it is freeing in parallel with
> allocators. It
> * matches the direct reclaim path behaviour in
> terms of impact
> * on zone->*_priority.
> */
> if (sc.nr_reclaimed >= SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX)
> break;
>
It would be a good place all right. Preferably it would tie into
compaction_ready() to decide whether to continue reclaiming or not.
> >>@@ -2922,8 +2939,6 @@ out:
> >>
> >> /* If balanced, clear the congested flag */
> >> zone_clear_flag(zone, ZONE_CONGESTED);
> >>- if (i<= *classzone_idx)
> >>- balanced += zone->present_pages;
> >> }
> >
> >Why is this being deleted? It is still used by pgdat_balanced().
>
> This is outside of the big while loop and is not used again
> in the function.
How about here?
if (all_zones_ok || (order && pgdat_balanced(pgdat, balanced, *classzone_idx)))
break; /* kswapd: all done */
Either way, it looks like something that should be in its own patch.
> This final for loop does not appear to
> use the variable balanced at all, except for incrementing
> it.
>
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 -mm 1/3] mm: reclaim at order 0 when compaction is enabled
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:07:52 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120125160752.GE3901@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F201F60.8080808@redhat.com>
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:27:28AM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 01/25/2012 10:00 AM, Mel Gorman wrote:
> >On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 01:21:36PM -0500, Rik van Riel wrote:
> >>When built with CONFIG_COMPACTION, kswapd does not try to free
> >>contiguous pages.
> >
> >balance_pgdat() gets its order from wakeup_kswapd(). This does not apply
> >to THP because kswapd does not get woken for THP but it should be woken
> >up for allocations like jumbo frames or order-1.
>
> In the kernel I run at home, I wake up kswapd for THP
> as well. This is a larger change, which Andrea asked
> me to delay submitting upstream for a bit.
>
Ok, good call. Waking kswapd up for THP is still premature.
> So far there seem to be no ill effects. I'll continue
> watching for them.
>
> >As kswapd does no memory compaction itself, this patch still makes
> >sense but I found the changelog misleading.
>
> Fair enough. I will adjust the changelog.
>
Thanks.
> ><SNIP>
> >The second effect of this change is a non-obvious side-effect. kswapd
> >will now isolate fewer pages per cycle because it will isolate
> >SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX pages instead of SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX<<order which it
> >potentially does currently. This is not wrong as such and may be
> >desirable to limit how much reclaim kswapd does but potentially it
> >impacts success rates for compaction. As this does not apply to THP,
> >it will be difficult to detect but bear in mind if we see an increase
> >in high-order allocation failures after this patch is merged. I am
> >not suggesting a change here but it would be nice to note in the
> >changelog if there is a new version of this patch.
>
> Good point. I am running with THP waking up kswapd, and
> things seem to behave (and compaction seems to succeed),
> but we might indeed want to change balance_pgdat to free
> more pages for higher order allocations.
>
> Maybe this is the place to check (in balanced_pgdat) ?
>
> /*
> * We do this so kswapd doesn't build up large
> priorities for
> * example when it is freeing in parallel with
> allocators. It
> * matches the direct reclaim path behaviour in
> terms of impact
> * on zone->*_priority.
> */
> if (sc.nr_reclaimed >= SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX)
> break;
>
It would be a good place all right. Preferably it would tie into
compaction_ready() to decide whether to continue reclaiming or not.
> >>@@ -2922,8 +2939,6 @@ out:
> >>
> >> /* If balanced, clear the congested flag */
> >> zone_clear_flag(zone, ZONE_CONGESTED);
> >>- if (i<= *classzone_idx)
> >>- balanced += zone->present_pages;
> >> }
> >
> >Why is this being deleted? It is still used by pgdat_balanced().
>
> This is outside of the big while loop and is not used again
> in the function.
How about here?
if (all_zones_ok || (order && pgdat_balanced(pgdat, balanced, *classzone_idx)))
break; /* kswapd: all done */
Either way, it looks like something that should be in its own patch.
> This final for loop does not appear to
> use the variable balanced at all, except for incrementing
> it.
>
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-01-25 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-24 18:18 [PATCH v2 -mm 0/3] kswapd vs compaction improvements Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:18 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:21 ` [PATCH v2 -mm 1/3] mm: reclaim at order 0 when compaction is enabled Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:21 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 15:00 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 15:00 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 15:27 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 15:27 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 16:07 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-01-25 16:07 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 17:17 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 17:17 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 22:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-25 22:16 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-01-26 2:12 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-26 2:12 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 -mm 2/3] mm: kswapd carefully call compaction Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:22 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 15:19 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 15:19 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-24 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 -mm 3/3] mm: only defer compaction for failed order and higher Rik van Riel
2012-01-24 18:23 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 15:41 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 15:41 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 15:55 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 15:55 ` Rik van Riel
2012-01-25 16:21 ` Mel Gorman
2012-01-25 16:21 ` Mel Gorman
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