From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Todd Poynor <toddpoynor@google.com>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
cpufreq@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, Mike Chan <mike@android.com>,
Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
kernel-team@android.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Arjan Van De Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] Scheduler idle notifiers and users
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:45:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120211144530.GA497@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F35DD3E.4020406@codeaurora.org>
* Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> When you say accommodate all hardware, does it mean we will
> keep around CPUfreq and allow attempts at improving it? Or we
> will completely move to scheduler based CPU freq scaling, but
> won't try to force atomicity? Say, may be queue up a
> notification to a CPU driver to scale up the frequency as soon
> as it can?
I don't think we should (or even could) force atomicity - we
adapt to whatever the hardware can do.
But the design should be directed at systems where frequency
changes can be done in a reasonably fast manner. That is what he
future is - any change we initiate today takes years to reach
actual products/systems.
> IMHO, I think the problem with CPUfreq and its dynamic
> governors today is that they do a timer based sampling of the
> CPU load instead of getting some hints from the scheduler when
> the scheduler knows that the load average is quite high.
Yes - that is one of the "frequency changes are slow"
assumptions - which is wrong.
Thanks,
Ingo
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From: mingo@elte.hu (Ingo Molnar)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH RFC 0/4] Scheduler idle notifiers and users
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:45:30 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120211144530.GA497@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F35DD3E.4020406@codeaurora.org>
* Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org> wrote:
> When you say accommodate all hardware, does it mean we will
> keep around CPUfreq and allow attempts at improving it? Or we
> will completely move to scheduler based CPU freq scaling, but
> won't try to force atomicity? Say, may be queue up a
> notification to a CPU driver to scale up the frequency as soon
> as it can?
I don't think we should (or even could) force atomicity - we
adapt to whatever the hardware can do.
But the design should be directed at systems where frequency
changes can be done in a reasonably fast manner. That is what he
future is - any change we initiate today takes years to reach
actual products/systems.
> IMHO, I think the problem with CPUfreq and its dynamic
> governors today is that they do a timer based sampling of the
> CPU load instead of getting some hints from the scheduler when
> the scheduler knows that the load average is quite high.
Yes - that is one of the "frequency changes are slow"
assumptions - which is wrong.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-11 14:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-02-08 1:39 [PATCH RFC 0/4] Scheduler idle notifiers and users Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:39 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:41 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched: Introduce idle notifiers API Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:41 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:43 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched: Wire up idle notifiers Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:43 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:44 ` [PATCH 3/4] cpufreq: New 'interactive' governor Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:44 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 23:00 ` Vincent Guittot
2012-02-08 23:00 ` Vincent Guittot
2012-02-09 0:32 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-09 0:32 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:44 ` [PATCH 4/4] ARM: Move leds idle start/stop calls to sched idle notifiers Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 1:44 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-02-08 3:05 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Scheduler idle notifiers and users Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-08 3:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-08 20:23 ` Dave Jones
2012-02-08 20:23 ` Dave Jones
2012-02-08 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-08 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-09 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-09 7:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-11 3:15 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-02-11 3:15 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-02-11 3:15 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-02-11 14:39 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-11 14:39 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-11 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-11 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-11 15:33 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-11 15:33 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 16:04 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-15 16:04 ` Mark Brown
2012-02-12 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-12 21:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-11 14:45 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2012-02-11 14:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-02-14 23:20 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-02-14 23:20 ` Saravana Kannan
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 13:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 14:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-02-15 14:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-02-15 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 16:00 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-02-15 16:00 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-02-15 16:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-15 16:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 3:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-16 3:31 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-02-16 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-16 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-17 9:00 ` Dominik Brodowski
2012-02-17 9:00 ` Dominik Brodowski
2012-02-20 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-20 11:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-21 12:38 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 12:38 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 12:38 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 12:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-21 12:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-21 13:31 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 13:31 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 14:52 ` Amit Kucheria
2012-02-21 14:52 ` Amit Kucheria
2012-02-21 17:06 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2012-02-21 17:06 ` Pantelis Antoniou
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