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From: Lennart Poettering <lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
	<barbieri-Y3ZbgMPKUGA34EUeqzHoZw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Roberto Sassu
	<roberto.sassu-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	systemd-devel-PD4FTy7X32lNgt0PjOBp9y5qC8QIuHrW@public.gmane.org,
	linux-ima-user-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Michael Cassaniti
	<m.cassaniti-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	harald-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	ramunno-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:21:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120220172149.GF26356@tango.0pointer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPdpN3AAwJ6s-fOgTCV4h4OCKCw3RhEav56LJaUXWVpuf4Jowg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, 16.02.12 12:30, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri (barbieri-Y3ZbgMPKUGA34EUeqzHoZw@public.gmane.org) wrote:

> > Since the policy loading can be implemented in different ways depending
> > on the init system (systemd, upstart, ...), an user must identify the
> > components to be measured for each case. Instead, if the IMA policy is
> > loaded in the main Systemd executable, only this file must be measured
> > by the boot loader.
> 
> Then I wonder: why not make an ima-init binary that:
>   - does ima_setup()
>   - exec systemd || upstart || ...
> 
> this way you only have to audit this very small file and not systemd
> itself, it's very early and so on.

We worked really hard on being able to load the SELinux policy without
any unnecessary (re-)execs. I don't think we should reopen that problem
by loading IMA from a pre-init tool. Also, the management of such a
thing would seriously suck (i.e. you'd probably need something like
update-alternatives, and that sucks), especially since we now already
taught the initrd to spawn /usr/lib/systemd/systemd directly, instead of
/sbin/init.

Lennart

-- 
Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-02-20 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-15 13:23 [PATCH 1/2] systemd: mount the securityfs filesystem at early stage Roberto Sassu
2012-02-15 13:23 ` [PATCH 2/2] main: added support for loading IMA custom policies Roberto Sassu
     [not found]   ` <1329312229-11856-2-git-send-email-roberto.sassu-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-15 14:30     ` [systemd-devel] " Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
2012-02-15 16:26       ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]         ` <4F3BDCAA.7040001-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-15 16:55           ` [systemd-devel] " Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
     [not found]             ` <CAPdpN3C0xDeVBrbDxesPdEV+owf-q_wxUHTmr4YDCHw=NgPV1Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-15 17:12               ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]                 ` <4F3BE763.9060704-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-16  4:56                   ` [Linux-ima-user] " Michael Cassaniti
2012-02-16 13:19                     ` Mimi Zohar
2012-02-16 13:38                     ` Roberto Sassu
2012-02-16 14:30                       ` Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
     [not found]                         ` <CAPdpN3AAwJ6s-fOgTCV4h4OCKCw3RhEav56LJaUXWVpuf4Jowg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-16 14:35                           ` Roberto Sassu
2012-02-16 21:50                             ` Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
2012-02-20 17:24                               ` [Linux-ima-user] " Lennart Poettering
2012-02-20 19:06                                 ` [systemd-devel] " Roberto Sassu
2012-02-20 19:18                                   ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                     ` <20120220191804.GD360-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 10:05                                       ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]                                         ` <4F436C7A.9020206-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 13:01                                           ` [Linux-ima-user] [systemd-devel] " Mimi Zohar
2012-02-21 13:58                                             ` Roberto Sassu
2012-02-21 16:15                                               ` Mimi Zohar
2012-02-21 17:32                                                 ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]                                                   ` <4F43D532.7070006-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 17:54                                                     ` Mimi Zohar
2012-02-21 17:56                                                   ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                                                     ` <CAPXgP10zCVgj4gDTzkJ1+XqKSHhjrCHwkUazJ8caaeMF2j+mMg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 18:07                                                       ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]                                                         ` <4F43DD49.2040202-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 19:06                                                           ` Kay Sievers
2012-02-21 14:07                                           ` [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] " Colin Guthrie
2012-02-21 14:32                                             ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                                               ` <CAPXgP13c1B80u14E4FrhZEJ89NDvDP--ciWikz0j+m4En6zPRQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 16:14                                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2012-02-21 18:25                                                   ` Roberto Sassu
2012-02-21 12:25                                       ` [Linux-ima-user] [systemd-devel] " Mimi Zohar
2012-02-20 17:21                           ` Lennart Poettering [this message]
     [not found]                     ` <4F3C8C6F.4010708-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 17:18                       ` [systemd-devel] [Linux-ima-user] " Lennart Poettering
2012-02-20 17:14                 ` [systemd-devel] " Lennart Poettering
2012-02-20 18:36                   ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]                     ` <4F4292A4.2030402-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 19:07                       ` Lennart Poettering
2012-02-21  9:17                         ` Roberto Sassu
2012-02-20 17:13           ` Lennart Poettering
2012-02-20 17:12     ` Lennart Poettering
2012-02-20 18:23       ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found]         ` <4F428FB0.3000200-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 18:52           ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]             ` <20120220185236.GB360-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 19:11               ` Roberto Sassu
     [not found] ` <1329312229-11856-1-git-send-email-roberto.sassu-8RLafaVCWuNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 17:04   ` [systemd-devel] [PATCH 1/2] systemd: mount the securityfs filesystem at early stage Lennart Poettering
     [not found]     ` <20120220170436.GA26356-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-20 18:02       ` Roberto Sassu

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