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From: grant.likely@secretlab.ca (Grant Likely)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/1] of: introduce helper to manage boolean
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:16:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120313041652.563B63E0536@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120313031739.GA18320@game.jcrosoft.org>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 04:17:39 +0100, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com> wrote:
> On 14:39 Mon 12 Mar     , Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 03/09/2012 10:36 AM, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > >>>> Ugh.  so any value other than 1 returns false?  I think that will surprise
> > >>>> most people.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't like this api or binding.  If it is a bool property, then why isn't
> > >>>> simply testing for the property existance sufficient?
> > >>> no if you want to disable it
> > >>>
> > >>> if a bool is define in the dtsi and want to disable it int the dts
> > >>>
> > >>> if you we can do the the invert
> > >>>
> > >>> if !0 => true
> > >>>
> > >>> is-ok;			=> true
> > >>> is-ok = <val != 0>;	=> true
> > >>> is-ok = <0>;		=> false
> > >>
> > >> This is a failure of the dtc tool, not the binding.  Accepting this binding
> > >> means we have to live with it for a very long time.  It needs to be fixed
> > >> in dtc instead so that properties can be deleted instead of only modified.
> > > I understand your idea but today if you put and value in the property it's true.
> > > 
> > > So is-ok = <0>; is true also which is illogical as in any language a boolean is
> > > true (1) or false (0). When I read the property I will understand false not true
> > 
> > You could say similar things about is-ok = "no" or is-ok = "" or is-ok =
> > "I'd rather you didn't"... it's expected that violating the binding may
> > produce illogical results.
> today is most of the binding people use a number whe the want to be able to
> delete it and it's the same in most of the promgramming language

It isn't yet a big pain point, so there isn't time pressure here.  Fixing the tool
is the better solution, and since the kernel carries a copy of the tool we don't
need to worry about adding a feature that isn't available by the dtc packaged by
a distribution.

Fixing the tool is the correct thing to do.

g.

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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
	<plagnioj-sclMFOaUSTBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood-KZfg59tc24xl57MIdRCFDg@public.gmane.org>
Cc: devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] of: introduce helper to manage boolean
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:16:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120313041652.563B63E0536@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120313031739.GA18320-RQcB7r2h9QmfDR2tN2SG5Ni2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 04:17:39 +0100, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj-sclMFOaUSTBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On 14:39 Mon 12 Mar     , Scott Wood wrote:
> > On 03/09/2012 10:36 AM, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > >>>> Ugh.  so any value other than 1 returns false?  I think that will surprise
> > >>>> most people.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't like this api or binding.  If it is a bool property, then why isn't
> > >>>> simply testing for the property existance sufficient?
> > >>> no if you want to disable it
> > >>>
> > >>> if a bool is define in the dtsi and want to disable it int the dts
> > >>>
> > >>> if you we can do the the invert
> > >>>
> > >>> if !0 => true
> > >>>
> > >>> is-ok;			=> true
> > >>> is-ok = <val != 0>;	=> true
> > >>> is-ok = <0>;		=> false
> > >>
> > >> This is a failure of the dtc tool, not the binding.  Accepting this binding
> > >> means we have to live with it for a very long time.  It needs to be fixed
> > >> in dtc instead so that properties can be deleted instead of only modified.
> > > I understand your idea but today if you put and value in the property it's true.
> > > 
> > > So is-ok = <0>; is true also which is illogical as in any language a boolean is
> > > true (1) or false (0). When I read the property I will understand false not true
> > 
> > You could say similar things about is-ok = "no" or is-ok = "" or is-ok =
> > "I'd rather you didn't"... it's expected that violating the binding may
> > produce illogical results.
> today is most of the binding people use a number whe the want to be able to
> delete it and it's the same in most of the promgramming language

It isn't yet a big pain point, so there isn't time pressure here.  Fixing the tool
is the better solution, and since the kernel carries a copy of the tool we don't
need to worry about adding a feature that isn't available by the dtc packaged by
a distribution.

Fixing the tool is the correct thing to do.

g.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-13  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-07  4:13 [PATCH 1/1] of: introduce helper to manage boolean Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-02-07  4:13 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-02-07 15:13 ` Rob Herring
2012-02-07 15:13   ` Rob Herring
2012-02-07 16:14   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-02-07 16:14     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-09  1:44 ` Grant Likely
2012-03-09  1:44   ` Grant Likely
2012-03-09 10:04   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-09 10:04     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-09 16:26     ` Grant Likely
2012-03-09 16:26       ` Grant Likely
2012-03-09 16:36       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-09 16:36         ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-12 19:39         ` Scott Wood
2012-03-12 19:39           ` Scott Wood
2012-03-13  3:17           ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-13  3:17             ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-13  4:16             ` Grant Likely [this message]
2012-03-13  4:16               ` Grant Likely
2012-03-13  7:03               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-03-13  7:03                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-07-10 12:10               ` Simon Glass
2012-07-10 12:10                 ` Simon Glass
2012-07-10 21:23                 ` Scott Wood
2012-07-10 21:23                   ` Scott Wood
2012-07-10 22:53                   ` Simon Glass
2012-07-10 22:53                     ` Simon Glass
2012-07-10 23:11                     ` Scott Wood
2012-07-10 23:11                       ` Scott Wood
2012-07-12  5:27                       ` Simon Glass
2012-07-12  5:27                         ` Simon Glass

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