From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/35] autonuma: define _PAGE_NUMA_PTE and _PAGE_NUMA_PMD
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:01:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120530200150.GA30148@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120530183406.GH21339@redhat.com>
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 08:34:06PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> Hi Konrad,
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 02:22:49PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > Thank you for loking at this from the xen side. The interesting thing
> > is that I believe the _PAGE_PAT (or _PAGE_PSE) is actually used on
> > Xen on PTEs. It is used to mark the pages WC. <sigh>
>
> Oops, I'm using _PAGE_PSE too on the pte, but only when it's unmapped.
>
> static inline int pte_numa(pte_t pte)
> {
> return (pte_flags(pte) &
> (_PAGE_NUMA_PTE|_PAGE_PRESENT)) == _PAGE_NUMA_PTE;
> }
>
> And _PAGE_UNUSED2 (_PAGE_IOMAP) is used for the pmd but _PAGE_IOMAP by
> Xen should only be set on ptes.
<nods>
>
> The only way to use _PAGE_PSE safe on the pte is if the pte is
> non-present, is this what Xen is also doing? (in turn colliding with
> pte_numa)
The only time the _PAGE_PSE (_PAGE_PAT) is set is when
_PAGE_PCD | _PAGE_PWT are set. It is this ugly transformation
of doing:
if (pat_enabled && _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD)
pte = ~(_PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD) | _PAGE_PAT;
and then writting the pte with the 7th bit set instead of the
2nd and 3rd to mark it as WC. There is a corresponding reverse too
(to read the pte - so the pte_val calls) - so if _PAGE_PAT is
detected it will remove the _PAGE_PAT and return the PTE as
if it had _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD.
So that little bit of code will need some tweaking - as it does
that even if _PAGE_PRESENT is not set. Meaning it would
transform your _PAGE_PAT to _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD. Gah!
>
> Now if I shrink the size of the page_autonuma to one entry per pmd
> (instead of per pte) I may as well drop pte_numa entirely and only
> leave pmd_numa. At the moment it's possible to switch between the two
> models at runtime with sysctl (if one wants to do a more expensive
> granular tracking). I'm still uncertain on the best way to shrink
> the page_autonuma size we'll see.
OK. I can whip up a patch to deal with the 'Gah!' case easily if needed.
Thanks!
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From: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Dan Smith <danms@us.ibm.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
Bharata B Rao <bharata.rao@gmail.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/35] autonuma: define _PAGE_NUMA_PTE and _PAGE_NUMA_PMD
Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 16:01:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120530200150.GA30148@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120530183406.GH21339@redhat.com>
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 08:34:06PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> Hi Konrad,
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 02:22:49PM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> > Thank you for loking at this from the xen side. The interesting thing
> > is that I believe the _PAGE_PAT (or _PAGE_PSE) is actually used on
> > Xen on PTEs. It is used to mark the pages WC. <sigh>
>
> Oops, I'm using _PAGE_PSE too on the pte, but only when it's unmapped.
>
> static inline int pte_numa(pte_t pte)
> {
> return (pte_flags(pte) &
> (_PAGE_NUMA_PTE|_PAGE_PRESENT)) == _PAGE_NUMA_PTE;
> }
>
> And _PAGE_UNUSED2 (_PAGE_IOMAP) is used for the pmd but _PAGE_IOMAP by
> Xen should only be set on ptes.
<nods>
>
> The only way to use _PAGE_PSE safe on the pte is if the pte is
> non-present, is this what Xen is also doing? (in turn colliding with
> pte_numa)
The only time the _PAGE_PSE (_PAGE_PAT) is set is when
_PAGE_PCD | _PAGE_PWT are set. It is this ugly transformation
of doing:
if (pat_enabled && _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD)
pte = ~(_PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD) | _PAGE_PAT;
and then writting the pte with the 7th bit set instead of the
2nd and 3rd to mark it as WC. There is a corresponding reverse too
(to read the pte - so the pte_val calls) - so if _PAGE_PAT is
detected it will remove the _PAGE_PAT and return the PTE as
if it had _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD.
So that little bit of code will need some tweaking - as it does
that even if _PAGE_PRESENT is not set. Meaning it would
transform your _PAGE_PAT to _PAGE_PWT | _PAGE_PCD. Gah!
>
> Now if I shrink the size of the page_autonuma to one entry per pmd
> (instead of per pte) I may as well drop pte_numa entirely and only
> leave pmd_numa. At the moment it's possible to switch between the two
> models at runtime with sysctl (if one wants to do a more expensive
> granular tracking). I'm still uncertain on the best way to shrink
> the page_autonuma size we'll see.
OK. I can whip up a patch to deal with the 'Gah!' case easily if needed.
Thanks!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-05-30 20:02 UTC|newest]
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2012-05-25 17:02 [PATCH 00/35] AutoNUMA alpha14 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 01/35] mm: add unlikely to the mm allocation failure check Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 02/35] autonuma: make set_pmd_at always available Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 03/35] xen: document Xen is using an unused bit for the pagetables Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 20:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-25 20:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-26 15:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-26 15:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 14:10 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-29 14:10 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-29 16:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 04/35] autonuma: define _PAGE_NUMA_PTE and _PAGE_NUMA_PMD Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 18:22 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-30 18:22 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-30 18:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 18:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 20:01 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk [this message]
2012-05-30 20:01 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-06-05 17:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-05 17:13 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-05 17:17 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-06-05 17:17 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-06-05 17:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-05 17:40 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 05/35] autonuma: x86 pte_numa() and pmd_numa() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 06/35] autonuma: generic " Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 20:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-30 20:23 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 07/35] autonuma: teach gup_fast about pte_numa Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 08/35] autonuma: introduce kthread_bind_node() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 12:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 12:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:11 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:44 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 18:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 18:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 20:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-30 20:26 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 09/35] autonuma: mm_autonuma and sched_autonuma data structures Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 10/35] autonuma: define the autonuma flags Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 11/35] autonuma: core autonuma.h header Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 12/35] autonuma: CPU follow memory algorithm Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:54 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 13:54 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-22 17:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-22 17:36 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 13/35] autonuma: add page structure fields Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:56 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 13:56 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 14:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 14:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 8:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-30 8:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-30 9:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 9:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 9:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-30 9:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-30 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 9:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 13:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 13:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-31 18:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-31 18:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 14:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-05 14:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-19 18:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-19 18:06 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:46 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 16:46 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 18:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 18:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-05-29 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-05-29 18:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 18:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 20:42 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-29 20:42 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 14/35] autonuma: knuma_migrated per NUMA node queues Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 0:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 0:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 18:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 18:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 15/35] autonuma: init knuma_migrated queues Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 16/35] autonuma: autonuma_enter/exit Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 17/35] autonuma: call autonuma_setup_new_exec() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 18/35] autonuma: alloc/free/init sched_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 20:55 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-30 20:55 ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 19/35] autonuma: alloc/free/init mm_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 20/35] autonuma: avoid CFS select_task_rq_fair to return -1 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 14:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 14:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 21/35] autonuma: teach CFS about autonuma affinity Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 22/35] autonuma: sched_set_autonuma_need_balance Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 18:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 18:24 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 22:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 22:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 23/35] autonuma: core Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 11:45 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-05-29 11:45 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-05-30 0:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 0:03 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:27 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 24/35] autonuma: follow_page check for pte_numa/pmd_numa Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 25/35] autonuma: default mempolicy follow AutoNUMA Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 26/35] autonuma: call autonuma_split_huge_page() Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 27/35] autonuma: make khugepaged pte_numa aware Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 28/35] autonuma: retain page last_nid information in khugepaged Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 29/35] autonuma: numa hinting page faults entry points Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 30/35] autonuma: reset autonuma page data when pages are freed Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:49 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 31/35] autonuma: initialize page structure fields Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 32/35] autonuma: link mm/autonuma.o and kernel/sched/numa.o Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 33/35] autonuma: add CONFIG_AUTONUMA and CONFIG_AUTONUMA_DEFAULT_ENABLED Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 34/35] autonuma: boost khugepaged scanning rate Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` [PATCH 35/35] autonuma: page_autonuma Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-25 17:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 16:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-29 17:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:14 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-26 17:28 ` [PATCH 00/35] AutoNUMA alpha14 Rik van Riel
2012-05-26 17:28 ` Rik van Riel
2012-05-26 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-05-26 20:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2012-05-29 15:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-29 15:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-29 16:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 16:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-30 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-05-30 15:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-05-30 15:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-05-29 13:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-05-29 13:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-05-29 15:43 ` Petr Holasek
2012-05-29 15:43 ` Petr Holasek
2012-05-31 18:08 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-31 18:08 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-31 20:01 ` AutoNUMA15 Don Morris
2012-05-31 22:54 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-01 0:04 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-31 18:52 ` AutoNUMA15 Don Morris
2012-06-07 2:30 ` AutoNUMA15 Zhouping Liu
2012-06-07 2:30 ` AutoNUMA15 Zhouping Liu
2012-06-07 11:44 ` AutoNUMA15 Hillf Danton
2012-06-07 13:30 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-07 14:08 ` AutoNUMA15 Zhouping Liu
2012-06-07 19:37 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-08 6:09 ` AutoNUMA15 Zhouping Liu
2012-06-08 13:04 ` AutoNUMA15 Hillf Danton
2012-06-08 13:32 ` AutoNUMA15 Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-08 16:31 ` AutoNUMA15 Zhouping Liu
2012-06-08 13:43 ` AutoNUMA15 Chen
2012-06-21 7:29 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-06-21 7:29 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-06-21 14:55 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-21 14:55 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-26 7:52 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-06-26 7:52 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-06-26 12:03 ` AutoNUMA15 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-07-12 2:36 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-07-12 2:36 ` AutoNUMA15 Alex Shi
2012-05-29 17:15 ` [PATCH 00/35] AutoNUMA alpha14 Andrea Arcangeli
2012-05-29 17:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-01 22:41 ` Mauricio Faria de Oliveira
2012-06-01 22:41 ` Mauricio Faria de Oliveira
2012-06-22 17:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2012-06-22 17:57 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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