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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next] net: netdev_alloc_skb() use build_skb()
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 20:20:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120604172030.GA32205@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1338822064.2760.1834.camel@edumazet-glaptop>

On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 17:17 +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > bnx2 and tg3 both do skb_reserve of at least NET_SKB_PAD
> > after build_skb. You are saying it's not a must?
> > 
> 
> 32 would be the minimum. NETS_SKB_PAD is using a cache line (64 bytes
> on most x86 current cpus) to avoid using half a cache line.

OK so if we want to use build_skb we need to pad by at least
32 - 12 bytes or more likely 64-12. We lose 52 bytes per page
but save a copy of 128 bytes for medium sized packets.

> > Hmm so maybe we should teach the hypervisor to write data
> > out at an offset. Interesting.
> > 
> > Another question is about very small packets truesize.
> > build_skb sets truesize to frag_size but isn't
> > this too small? We keep the whole page around, no?
> 
> We keep one page per cpu, at most.
> 
> For example on MTU=1500 and PAGE_SIZE=4096, one page is splitted into
> two fragments, of 1500 + NET_SKB_PAD + align(shared_info), so its good
> enough (this is very close from 2048 'truesize')

I see. virtio allocates full 4K pages which works well for GSO
but it means smaller packets would get large truesize
wasting lots of memory.
So maybe we should keep copying packets < 128 bytes.

> But yes, for some uses (wifi for example), we might use a full page per
> skb, yet underestimate skb->truesize. Hopefully we can track these uses
> and fix them.
> 
> ath9k for example could be changed, to be able to reassemble up to 3
> frags instead of 2 frags, ie extending what did commit
> 0d95521ea74735826cb2e28bebf6a07392c75bfa (ath9k: use split rx
> buffers to get rid of order-1 skb allocations)
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2012-06-04 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-17 12:18 Stable regression with 'tcp: allow splice() to build full TSO packets' Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 15:01 ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 15:43   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 15:56     ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 16:33       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 16:40         ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 16:47           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 16:49           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 17:22             ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 17:34             ` [PATCH net-next] net: netdev_alloc_skb() use build_skb() Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 17:45               ` Willy Tarreau
2012-06-04 12:39                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 12:44                   ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 19:53               ` David Miller
2012-05-18  4:41                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 12:37               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 13:06                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 13:41                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 14:01                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 14:09                       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 14:17                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 15:01                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 17:20                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-06-04 17:44                             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 18:16                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 19:24                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 19:48                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 19:56                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 21:20                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-05  2:50                                         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 18:16                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 19:29                             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 19:43                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 19:52                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 21:54                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-05  2:46                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-06-04 19:56                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-06-04 20:05                                   ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 18:38       ` Stable regression with 'tcp: allow splice() to build full TSO packets' Ben Hutchings
2012-05-17 19:55   ` David Miller
2012-05-17 20:04     ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 20:07       ` David Miller
2012-05-17 20:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 21:14   ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 21:40     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 21:50       ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 21:57         ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:01         ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 22:10           ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 22:16           ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:22             ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 22:24               ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:25                 ` David Miller
2012-05-17 22:30                   ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:35                     ` David Miller
2012-05-17 22:49                       ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:27               ` Joe Perches
2012-05-17 21:54       ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 21:47     ` Willy Tarreau
2012-05-17 22:14     ` Eric Dumazet
2012-05-17 22:29       ` Willy Tarreau

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