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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:14:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120626221452.GA15811@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120626220809.GA4653-VqjxzfR4DlwKmadIfiO5sKVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>

Hello, Michal.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:08:09AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> According to my experience, people usually create deeper subtrees
> just because they want to have memcg hierarchy together with other
> controller(s) and the other controller requires a different topology
> but then they do not care about memory.* attributes in parents.
> Those cases are not affected by this change because parents are
> unlimited by default.
> Deeper subtrees without hierarchy and independent limits are usually
> mis-configurations, and we would like to hear about those to help to fix
> them, or they are unfixable usecases which we want to know about as well
> (because then we have a blocker for the unified cgroup hierarchy, don't
> we).

Yeah, this is something I'm seriously considering doing from cgroup
core.  ie. generating a warning message if the user nests cgroups w/
controllers which don't support full hierarchy.

> >   Note that the default should still be flat hierarchy.
> > 
> > 2. Mark flat hierarchy deprecated and produce a warning message if
> >    memcg is mounted w/o hierarchy option for a year or two.
> 
> I would agree with you on this with many kernel configurables but
> this one doesn't fall in. There is a trivial fallback (set root to
> use_hierarchy=0) so the mount option seems like an overkill - yet
> another API to keep for some time...

Just disallow clearing .use_hierarchy if it was mounted with the
option?  We can later either make the file RO 1 for compatibility's
sake or remove it.

> So in short, I do think we should go the sanity path and end up
> with hierarchical trees and sooner we start the better.

I do agree with you in principle, but I still don't think we can
switch the default behavior underneath the users.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:14:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120626221452.GA15811@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120626220809.GA4653@tiehlicka.suse.cz>

Hello, Michal.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:08:09AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> According to my experience, people usually create deeper subtrees
> just because they want to have memcg hierarchy together with other
> controller(s) and the other controller requires a different topology
> but then they do not care about memory.* attributes in parents.
> Those cases are not affected by this change because parents are
> unlimited by default.
> Deeper subtrees without hierarchy and independent limits are usually
> mis-configurations, and we would like to hear about those to help to fix
> them, or they are unfixable usecases which we want to know about as well
> (because then we have a blocker for the unified cgroup hierarchy, don't
> we).

Yeah, this is something I'm seriously considering doing from cgroup
core.  ie. generating a warning message if the user nests cgroups w/
controllers which don't support full hierarchy.

> >   Note that the default should still be flat hierarchy.
> > 
> > 2. Mark flat hierarchy deprecated and produce a warning message if
> >    memcg is mounted w/o hierarchy option for a year or two.
> 
> I would agree with you on this with many kernel configurables but
> this one doesn't fall in. There is a trivial fallback (set root to
> use_hierarchy=0) so the mount option seems like an overkill - yet
> another API to keep for some time...

Just disallow clearing .use_hierarchy if it was mounted with the
option?  We can later either make the file RO 1 for compatibility's
sake or remove it.

> So in short, I do think we should go the sanity path and end up
> with hierarchical trees and sooner we start the better.

I do agree with you in principle, but I still don't think we can
switch the default behavior underneath the users.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-26 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-26 15:47 [PATCH 0/2] fix and deprecate use_hierarchy file Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1340725634-9017-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 15:47   ` [PATCH 1/2] fix bad behavior in " Glauber Costa
2012-06-26 15:47     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1340725634-9017-2-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 15:52       ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 15:52         ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 15:54       ` Johannes Weiner
2012-06-26 15:54         ` Johannes Weiner
2012-06-26 22:25       ` Andrew Morton
2012-06-26 22:25         ` Andrew Morton
2012-06-26 22:30         ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 15:47   ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: first step towards hierarchical controller Glauber Costa
2012-06-26 15:47     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1340725634-9017-3-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 16:15       ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 16:15         ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20120626161501.GI9566-VqjxzfR4DlwKmadIfiO5sKVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 16:37           ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-26 16:37             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <4FE9E53C.2050700-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 17:54               ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 17:54                 ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 18:04       ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 18:04         ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 18:55         ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]           ` <20120626185542.GE27816-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 19:14             ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 19:14               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]               ` <20120626191450.GT3869-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 20:59                 ` Johannes Weiner
2012-06-26 20:59                   ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]                   ` <20120626205924.GH27816-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 21:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 21:19                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-27  8:57                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-27 17:07                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120626180451.GP3869-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 22:08           ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-26 22:08             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]             ` <20120626220809.GA4653-VqjxzfR4DlwKmadIfiO5sKVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-26 22:14               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-06-26 22:14                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-26 22:17                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120626221452.GA15811-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-27  8:52                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-27  8:52                     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                     ` <4FEAC9CB.2010800-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-27 16:58                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-27 16:58                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-06-27 12:51                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-06-27 12:51                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                     ` <20120627125119.GE5683-VqjxzfR4DlwKmadIfiO5sKVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-27 12:49                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-27 12:49                         ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-27 17:33                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20120627173336.GJ15811-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-28  8:46                         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-06-28  8:46                           ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
     [not found]                           ` <4FEC19C9.4090708-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-06-28  9:12                             ` Glauber Costa
2012-06-28  9:12                               ` Glauber Costa

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