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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org,
	devel-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Suleiman Souhlal
	<suleiman-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg-bbCR+/B0CizivPeTLB3BmA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 15/16] memcg/sl[au]b: shrink dead caches
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:43:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120924174346.GB7694@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <506018DC.2020907-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>

Hello,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:25:00PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > This is kinda nasty.  Do we really need to do this?  How long would a
> > dead cache stick around?
> 
> Without targeted shrinking, until all objects are manually freed, which
> may need to wait global reclaim to kick in.
> 
> In general, if we agree with duplicating the caches, the problem that
> they may stick around for some time will not be avoidable. If you have
> any suggestions about alternative ways for it, I'm all ears.

I don't have much problem with caches sticking around waiting to be
reaped.  I'm just wondering whether renaming trick is really
necessary.

> > Reaping dead caches doesn't exactly sound like a high priority thing
> > and adding a branch to hot path for that might not be the best way to
> > do it.  Why not schedule an extremely lazy deferrable delayed_work
> > which polls for emptiness, say, every miniute or whatever?
> > 
> 
> Because this branch is marked as unlikely, I would expect it not to be a
> big problem. It will be not taken most of the time, and becomes a very
> cheap branch. I considered this to be simpler than a deferred work
> mechanism.
> 
> If even then, you guys believe this is still too high, I can resort to that.

It's still an otherwise unnecessary branch on a very hot path.  If you
can remove it, there's no reason not to.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, devel@openvz.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 15/16] memcg/sl[au]b: shrink dead caches
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:43:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120924174346.GB7694@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <506018DC.2020907@parallels.com>

Hello,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:25:00PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > This is kinda nasty.  Do we really need to do this?  How long would a
> > dead cache stick around?
> 
> Without targeted shrinking, until all objects are manually freed, which
> may need to wait global reclaim to kick in.
> 
> In general, if we agree with duplicating the caches, the problem that
> they may stick around for some time will not be avoidable. If you have
> any suggestions about alternative ways for it, I'm all ears.

I don't have much problem with caches sticking around waiting to be
reaped.  I'm just wondering whether renaming trick is really
necessary.

> > Reaping dead caches doesn't exactly sound like a high priority thing
> > and adding a branch to hot path for that might not be the best way to
> > do it.  Why not schedule an extremely lazy deferrable delayed_work
> > which polls for emptiness, say, every miniute or whatever?
> > 
> 
> Because this branch is marked as unlikely, I would expect it not to be a
> big problem. It will be not taken most of the time, and becomes a very
> cheap branch. I considered this to be simpler than a deferred work
> mechanism.
> 
> If even then, you guys believe this is still too high, I can resort to that.

It's still an otherwise unnecessary branch on a very hot path.  If you
can remove it, there's no reason not to.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, devel@openvz.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Suleiman Souhlal <suleiman@google.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 15/16] memcg/sl[au]b: shrink dead caches
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:43:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120924174346.GB7694@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <506018DC.2020907@parallels.com>

Hello,

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:25:00PM +0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > This is kinda nasty.  Do we really need to do this?  How long would a
> > dead cache stick around?
> 
> Without targeted shrinking, until all objects are manually freed, which
> may need to wait global reclaim to kick in.
> 
> In general, if we agree with duplicating the caches, the problem that
> they may stick around for some time will not be avoidable. If you have
> any suggestions about alternative ways for it, I'm all ears.

I don't have much problem with caches sticking around waiting to be
reaped.  I'm just wondering whether renaming trick is really
necessary.

> > Reaping dead caches doesn't exactly sound like a high priority thing
> > and adding a branch to hot path for that might not be the best way to
> > do it.  Why not schedule an extremely lazy deferrable delayed_work
> > which polls for emptiness, say, every miniute or whatever?
> > 
> 
> Because this branch is marked as unlikely, I would expect it not to be a
> big problem. It will be not taken most of the time, and becomes a very
> cheap branch. I considered this to be simpler than a deferred work
> mechanism.
> 
> If even then, you guys believe this is still too high, I can resort to that.

It's still an otherwise unnecessary branch on a very hot path.  If you
can remove it, there's no reason not to.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-24 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 194+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-18 14:11 [PATCH v3 00/16] slab accounting for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1347977530-29755-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 14:11   ` [PATCH v3 01/16] slab/slub: struct memcg_params Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11   ` [PATCH v3 02/16] slub: use free_page instead of put_page for freeing kmalloc allocation Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11   ` [PATCH v3 03/16] slab: Ignore the cflgs bit in cache creation Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 15:20     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:20       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]     ` <1347977530-29755-4-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21 17:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 17:33         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 17:33         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:11   ` [PATCH v3 04/16] provide a common place for initcall processing in kmem_cache Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1347977530-29755-5-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 15:22       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:22         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:22         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 14:11   ` [PATCH v3 05/16] consider a memcg parameter in kmem_create_cache Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:11     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 18:14     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 18:14       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20120921181458.GG7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24  8:12         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:12           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:12           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <506015E7.8030900-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 12:41             ` Christoph
2012-09-24 12:41               ` Christoph
2012-09-24 12:41               ` Christoph
2012-09-24 12:41               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 12:41                 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                 ` <50605500.5050606-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 13:42                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:42                     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:42                     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:44                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 13:44                       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                       ` <506063B8.70305-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 13:56                         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:56                           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:56                           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 13:57                           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 13:57                             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                             ` <506066E3.6050705-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 15:38                               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-24 15:38                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-24 15:38                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-24 15:36                                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 15:36                                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 17:38                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 17:38                                     ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                                 ` <CAOJsxLGFWQFNUUN3sDeB2sn0S-QM-6Ut_d02HjmF6mB5aMytoA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 17:39                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 17:39                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-24 17:39                                     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-10-02 14:46     ` Michal Hocko
2012-10-02 14:46       ` Michal Hocko
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 06/16] memcg: infrastructure to match an allocation to the right cache Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 18:32     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 18:32       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24  8:46       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:46         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24 17:56         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:56           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120924175619.GD7694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-25 13:57             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-25 13:57               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-25 13:57               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-25 16:28               ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-25 16:28                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-21 20:52     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:52       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20120921205236.GT7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24  8:17         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:17           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:17           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <50601721.6040805-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 17:58             ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:58               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:58               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 07/16] memcg: skip memcg kmem allocations in specified code regions Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 19:59     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 19:59       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]       ` <20120921195929.GL7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24  9:09         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  9:09           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  9:09           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <50602343.6040806-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 17:47             ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:47               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:47               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 08/16] slab: allow enable_cpu_cache to use preset values for its tunables Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1347977530-29755-9-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 15:25       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:25         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:25         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]         ` <00000139d9fc4ccc-d0904b9b-5bbf-4cf6-9325-013f16f11745-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19  7:44           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:44             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:44             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:29     ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:29       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 09/16] sl[au]b: always get the cache from its page in kfree Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1347977530-29755-10-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 15:28       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 15:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-19  7:42         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:42           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19 14:14           ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-19 14:14             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-21  9:33           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:33             ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:30             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:30               ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:41               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:41                 ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.2.02.1209211240410.3619-XMdqyYT0w3YmYvmMESoHnA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21 20:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:07                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:07                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                     ` <20120921200733.GM7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21 20:14                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21 20:14                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21 20:14                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21 20:16                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:16                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 10/16] sl[au]b: Allocate objects from memcg cache Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 11/16] memcg: destroy memcg caches Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 20:22     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 12/16] memcg/sl[au]b Track all the memcg children of a kmem_cache Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 20:31     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:31       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 13/16] slab: slab-specific propagation changes Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 17:00     ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 17:00       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]       ` <00000139da52bc21-06113921-5cf5-42b6-94e3-fe9763e909bc-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19  7:41         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:41           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:41           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 14/16] slub: slub-specific " Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12   ` [PATCH v3 15/16] memcg/sl[au]b: shrink dead caches Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1347977530-29755-16-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-18 17:02       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 17:02         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-09-18 17:02         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]         ` <00000139da54937f-8f4add94-b203-4a6c-b99a-adc81d443b71-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-19  7:40           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:40             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-19  7:40             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  4:48       ` JoonSoo Kim
2012-09-21  4:48         ` JoonSoo Kim
2012-09-21  4:48         ` JoonSoo Kim
     [not found]         ` <CAAmzW4NyK6gqqXHttUE35=-=h0Eve-smiYJCj3i+mHFFysQE4A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21  8:40           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  8:40             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  8:40             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:28             ` JoonSoo Kim
2012-09-21  9:28               ` JoonSoo Kim
     [not found]               ` <CAAmzW4PRPBgySUpNsj=RP6VR3KLcVWv3G7rRtX=r+wiWUTDchw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-21  9:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:31                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:31                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 20:40       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:40         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:40         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120921204035.GQ7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24  8:25           ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:25             ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:25             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]             ` <506018DC.2020907-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24 17:43               ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-09-24 17:43                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-24 17:43                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21  9:40   ` [PATCH v3 00/16] slab accounting for memcg Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:40     ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:40     ` Pekka Enberg
2012-09-21  9:43     ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21  9:43       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-21 20:46   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:46     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:46     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:47     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-21 20:47       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120921204619.GR7264-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-24  8:15       ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:15         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-24  8:15         ` Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12 ` [PATCH v3 16/16] Add documentation about the kmem controller Glauber Costa
2012-09-18 14:12   ` Glauber Costa

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