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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/43] mm: numa: Make pte_numa() and pmd_numa() a generic implementation
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:19:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121116161913.GC8218@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzH_-6FuwTF1GVDzLK+7c0MGLsLdPFjzzwU78GVUEMbBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 07:32:01AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > I would have preferred asm-generic/pgtable.h myself and use
> > __HAVE_ARCH_whatever tricks
> 
> PLEASE NO!
> 
> Dammit, why is this disease still so prevalent, and why do people
> continue to do this crap?
> 

By personal experience because they read the header, see the other examples
and say "fair enough". I'm tempted to...

diff --git a/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h b/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
index da3e761..572d3f1 100644
--- a/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
+++ b/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
@@ -7,6 +7,12 @@
 #include <linux/mm_types.h>
 #include <linux/bug.h>
 
+/*
+ * NOTE: Do NOT copy the __HAVE_ARCH convention when adding new generic
+ * helpers. You will have to wear a D hat and be called names
+ * https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/16/340
+ */
+
 #ifndef __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_SET_ACCESS_FLAGS
 extern int ptep_set_access_flags(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
 				 unsigned long address, pte_t *ptep,


> __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy is a f*cking retarded thing to do, and that's
> actually an insult to retarded people.
> 
> Use either:
> 
>  - Kconfig entries for bigger features where that makes sense, and
> using the Kconfig files allows you to use the Kconfig logic for things
> (ie there are dependencies etc, so you can avoid having to have
> complicated conditionals in the #ifdef's, and instead introduce them
> as rules in Kconfig files).
> 
>  - the SAME F*CKING NAME for the #ifdef, not some totally different
> namespace with __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy crap.
> 
> So if your architecture wants to override one (or more) of the
> pte_*numa() functions, just make it do so. And do it with
> 
>   static inline pmd_t pmd_mknuma(pmd_t pmd)
>   {
>           pmd = pmd_set_flags(pmd, _PAGE_NUMA);
>           return pmd_clear_flags(pmd, _PAGE_PRESENT);
>   }
>   #define pmd_mknuma pmd_mknuma
> 
> and then you can have the generic code have code like
> 
>    #ifndef pmd_mknuma
>    .. generic version goes here ..
>    #endif
> 
> and the advantage is two-fold:
> 
>  - none of the "let's make up another name to test for this"
> 
>  - "git grep" actually _works_, and the end results make sense, and
> you can clearly see the logic of where things are declared, and which
> one is used.
> 

Understood, makes sense and is a straight-forward conversion. Now that I
read this, this explanation feels familiar. Clearly it did not sink in
with me when you shouted at the last person that tried.

> The __ARCH_HAVE_xyzzy (and some places call it __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy)
> thing is a disease.
> 

And now I have been healed! I've had worse starts to a weekend.

> That said, the __weak thing works too (and greps fine, as long as you
> use the proper K&R C format, not the idiotic "let's put the name of
> the function on a different line than the type of the function"
> format), it just doesn't allow inlining.
> 
> In this case, I suspect the inlined function is generally a single
> instruction, is it not? In which case I really do think that inlining
> makes sense.
> 

I would expect a single instruction for the checks (pte_numa, pmd_numa).
It's probably two for the setters (pte_mknuma, pmd_mknuma, pte_mknonnuma,
pmd_mknonnuma) unless paravirt gets involved. paravirt might add a
function call in there but should be nothing crazy.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/43] mm: numa: Make pte_numa() and pmd_numa() a generic implementation
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:19:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121116161913.GC8218@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFzH_-6FuwTF1GVDzLK+7c0MGLsLdPFjzzwU78GVUEMbBw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 07:32:01AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > I would have preferred asm-generic/pgtable.h myself and use
> > __HAVE_ARCH_whatever tricks
> 
> PLEASE NO!
> 
> Dammit, why is this disease still so prevalent, and why do people
> continue to do this crap?
> 

By personal experience because they read the header, see the other examples
and say "fair enough". I'm tempted to...

diff --git a/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h b/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
index da3e761..572d3f1 100644
--- a/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
+++ b/include/asm-generic/pgtable.h
@@ -7,6 +7,12 @@
 #include <linux/mm_types.h>
 #include <linux/bug.h>
 
+/*
+ * NOTE: Do NOT copy the __HAVE_ARCH convention when adding new generic
+ * helpers. You will have to wear a D hat and be called names
+ * https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/11/16/340
+ */
+
 #ifndef __HAVE_ARCH_PTEP_SET_ACCESS_FLAGS
 extern int ptep_set_access_flags(struct vm_area_struct *vma,
 				 unsigned long address, pte_t *ptep,


> __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy is a f*cking retarded thing to do, and that's
> actually an insult to retarded people.
> 
> Use either:
> 
>  - Kconfig entries for bigger features where that makes sense, and
> using the Kconfig files allows you to use the Kconfig logic for things
> (ie there are dependencies etc, so you can avoid having to have
> complicated conditionals in the #ifdef's, and instead introduce them
> as rules in Kconfig files).
> 
>  - the SAME F*CKING NAME for the #ifdef, not some totally different
> namespace with __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy crap.
> 
> So if your architecture wants to override one (or more) of the
> pte_*numa() functions, just make it do so. And do it with
> 
>   static inline pmd_t pmd_mknuma(pmd_t pmd)
>   {
>           pmd = pmd_set_flags(pmd, _PAGE_NUMA);
>           return pmd_clear_flags(pmd, _PAGE_PRESENT);
>   }
>   #define pmd_mknuma pmd_mknuma
> 
> and then you can have the generic code have code like
> 
>    #ifndef pmd_mknuma
>    .. generic version goes here ..
>    #endif
> 
> and the advantage is two-fold:
> 
>  - none of the "let's make up another name to test for this"
> 
>  - "git grep" actually _works_, and the end results make sense, and
> you can clearly see the logic of where things are declared, and which
> one is used.
> 

Understood, makes sense and is a straight-forward conversion. Now that I
read this, this explanation feels familiar. Clearly it did not sink in
with me when you shouted at the last person that tried.

> The __ARCH_HAVE_xyzzy (and some places call it __HAVE_ARCH_xyzzy)
> thing is a disease.
> 

And now I have been healed! I've had worse starts to a weekend.

> That said, the __weak thing works too (and greps fine, as long as you
> use the proper K&R C format, not the idiotic "let's put the name of
> the function on a different line than the type of the function"
> format), it just doesn't allow inlining.
> 
> In this case, I suspect the inlined function is generally a single
> instruction, is it not? In which case I really do think that inlining
> makes sense.
> 

I would expect a single instruction for the checks (pte_numa, pmd_numa).
It's probably two for the setters (pte_mknuma, pmd_mknuma, pte_mknonnuma,
pmd_mknonnuma) unless paravirt gets involved. paravirt might add a
function call in there but should be nothing crazy.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-16 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-16 11:22 [RFC PATCH 00/43] Automatic NUMA Balancing V3 Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 01/43] mm: compaction: Move migration fail/success stats to migrate.c Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 02/43] mm: migrate: Add a tracepoint for migrate_pages Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 03/43] mm: compaction: Add scanned and isolated counters for compaction Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 04/43] mm: numa: define _PAGE_NUMA Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 05/43] mm: numa: pte_numa() and pmd_numa() Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 06/43] mm: numa: Make pte_numa() and pmd_numa() a generic implementation Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 14:09   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 14:09     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 14:41     ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 14:41       ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 15:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-16 15:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-11-16 16:08         ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 16:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 16:56           ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 16:56             ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 17:12             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 17:12               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 17:48               ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 17:48                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 18:04                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 18:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 18:55                   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 18:55                     ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 17:26             ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 17:26               ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 17:37             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 17:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2012-11-16 18:44               ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 18:44                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 16:19         ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-11-16 16:19           ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 07/43] mm: numa: Support NUMA hinting page faults from gup/gup_fast Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 14:09   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 14:09     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 08/43] mm: numa: split_huge_page: transfer the NUMA type from the pmd to the pte Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 09/43] mm: numa: Create basic numa page hinting infrastructure Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 10/43] mm: mempolicy: Make MPOL_LOCAL a real policy Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 11/43] mm: mempolicy: Add MPOL_MF_NOOP Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 12/43] mm: mempolicy: Check for misplaced page Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 13/43] mm: migrate: Introduce migrate_misplaced_page() Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-19 19:44   ` [tip:numa/core] mm/migration: Improve migrate_misplaced_page() tip-bot for Mel Gorman
2012-11-19 19:44     ` tip-bot for Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 14/43] mm: mempolicy: Use _PAGE_NUMA to migrate pages Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 16:08   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 16:08     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 15/43] mm: mempolicy: Add MPOL_MF_LAZY Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 16/43] mm: mempolicy: Hide MPOL_NOOP and MPOL_MF_LAZY from userspace for now Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 16:22   ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 16:22     ` Rik van Riel
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 17/43] sched, mm, x86: Add the ARCH_SUPPORTS_NUMA_BALANCING flag Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 18/43] mm: numa: Add fault driven placement and migration Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 19/43] mm: numa: Avoid double faulting after migrating misplaced page Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 20/43] mm: sched: numa: Implement constant, per task Working Set Sampling (WSS) rate Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 21/43] sched, numa, mm: Count WS scanning against present PTEs, not virtual memory ranges Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 22/43] mm: sched: numa: Implement slow start for working set sampling Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 23/43] mm: numa: Add pte updates, hinting and migration stats Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 24/43] mm: numa: Migrate on reference policy Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 25/43] mm: numa: Migrate pages handled during a pmd_numa hinting fault Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 26/43] mm: numa: Only mark a PMD pmd_numa if the pages are all on the same node Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 27/43] mm: numa: Structures for Migrate On Fault per NUMA migration rate limiting Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 28/43] mm: numa: Rate limit the amount of memory that is migrated between nodes Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 29/43] mm: numa: Rate limit setting of pte_numa if node is saturated Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 30/43] sched: numa: Slowly increase the scanning period as NUMA faults are handled Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 31/43] mm: numa: Introduce last_nid to the page frame Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 32/43] mm: numa: Use a two-stage filter to restrict pages being migrated for unlikely task<->node relationships Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 33/43] x86: mm: only do a local tlb flush in ptep_set_access_flags() Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 34/43] x86: mm: drop TLB flush from ptep_set_access_flags Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 35/43] mm,generic: only flush the local TLB in ptep_set_access_flags Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 36/43] sched: numa: Introduce tsk_home_node() Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 37/43] sched: numa: Make find_busiest_queue() a method Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 38/43] sched: numa: Implement home-node awareness Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 39/43] sched: numa: Introduce per-mm and per-task structures Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 40/43] sched: numa: CPU follows memory Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 41/43] sched: numa: Rename mempolicy to HOME Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 42/43] sched: numa: Consider only one CPU per node for CPU-follows-memory Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22 ` [PATCH 43/43] sched: numa: Increase and decrease a tasks scanning period based on task fault statistics Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 11:22   ` Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 14:56 ` [RFC PATCH 00/43] Automatic NUMA Balancing V3 Mel Gorman
2012-11-16 14:56   ` Mel Gorman

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