From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>,
Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
gaowanlong@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] zram/zsmalloc promotion
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:27:29 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121119012729.GA7747@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEwNFnD9tVywtb6s3YGMs7vcndCVZNZ0wU=RnOeVnG9UEXnmWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Andrew?
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:38:04PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:12:44 +0900
> > Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This patchset promotes zram/zsmalloc from staging.
> >
> > The changelogs are distressingly short of *reasons* for doing this!
> >
> >> Both are very clean and zram have been used by many embedded product
> >> for a long time.
> >
> > Well that's interesting.
> >
> > Which embedded products? How are they using zram and what benefit are
> > they observing from it, in what scenarios?
> >
>
> At least, major TV companys have used zram as swap since two years ago and
> recently our production team released android smart phone with zram which
> is used as swap, too.
> And there is trial to use zram as swap in ChromeOS project, too. (Although
> they report some problem recently, it was not a problem of zram).
> When you google zram, you can find various usecase in xda-developers.
>
> With my experience, the benefit in real practice was to remove jitter of
> video application. It would be effect of efficient memory usage by
> compression but more issue is whether swap is there or not in the system.
> As you know, recent mobile platform have used JAVA so there are lots of
> anonymous pages. But embedded system normally doesn't use eMMC or SDCard as
> swap because there is wear-leveling issue and latency so we can't reclaim
> anymous pages. It sometime ends up making system very slow when it requires
> to get contiguous memory and even many file-backed pages are evicted. It's
> never what embedded people want it. Zram is one of best solution for that.
>
> It's very hard to type with mobile phone. :(
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Minchan Kim
--
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From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
Nitin Gupta <ngupta@vflare.org>,
Seth Jennings <sjenning@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad@darnok.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
gaowanlong@cn.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] zram/zsmalloc promotion
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:27:29 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121119012729.GA7747@bbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEwNFnD9tVywtb6s3YGMs7vcndCVZNZ0wU=RnOeVnG9UEXnmWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Andrew?
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:38:04PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:12:44 +0900
> > Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This patchset promotes zram/zsmalloc from staging.
> >
> > The changelogs are distressingly short of *reasons* for doing this!
> >
> >> Both are very clean and zram have been used by many embedded product
> >> for a long time.
> >
> > Well that's interesting.
> >
> > Which embedded products? How are they using zram and what benefit are
> > they observing from it, in what scenarios?
> >
>
> At least, major TV companys have used zram as swap since two years ago and
> recently our production team released android smart phone with zram which
> is used as swap, too.
> And there is trial to use zram as swap in ChromeOS project, too. (Although
> they report some problem recently, it was not a problem of zram).
> When you google zram, you can find various usecase in xda-developers.
>
> With my experience, the benefit in real practice was to remove jitter of
> video application. It would be effect of efficient memory usage by
> compression but more issue is whether swap is there or not in the system.
> As you know, recent mobile platform have used JAVA so there are lots of
> anonymous pages. But embedded system normally doesn't use eMMC or SDCard as
> swap because there is wear-leveling issue and latency so we can't reclaim
> anymous pages. It sometime ends up making system very slow when it requires
> to get contiguous memory and even many file-backed pages are evicted. It's
> never what embedded people want it. Zram is one of best solution for that.
>
> It's very hard to type with mobile phone. :(
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Minchan Kim
--
Kind regards,
Minchan Kim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-19 1:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-02 7:12 [PATCH v4 0/3] zram/zsmalloc promotion Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] zsmalloc: promote to lib/ Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 8:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-02 8:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-02 7:12 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] zram: promote zram from staging Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] zram: select ZSMALLOC when ZRAM is configured Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 7:12 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-02 8:23 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-02 8:23 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-11-06 23:32 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] zram/zsmalloc promotion Andrew Morton
2012-11-06 23:32 ` Andrew Morton
[not found] ` <CAEwNFnAA+PNh0OT7vdv5k5u3TXeBUDJZX75TQg_Si4yFnE6e-g@mail.gmail.com>
2012-11-07 10:38 ` Minchan Kim
2012-11-07 16:40 ` Luigi Semenzato
2012-11-07 16:40 ` Luigi Semenzato
2012-11-19 1:27 ` Minchan Kim [this message]
2012-11-19 1:27 ` Minchan Kim
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