From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 2/2] ARM: SMP support for mach-virt
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 13:40:10 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121204134010.GP23368@mudshark.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20121204133326.GE14363@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 01:33:26PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 04, 2012 at 12:40:47PM +0000, Will Deacon wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 09:55:35PM +0000, Rob Herring wrote:
> > > Why is the pen is needed? It should only be needed for hotplug on
> > > systems that can't reset their cores. I'd hope you could design good
> > > virtual h/w.
> >
> > It's not so much about designing good virtual h/w as it is avoiding tying
> > the platform to it. What we don't want is to mandate that in order to boot
> > this machine, you *must* implement an emulation of some virtual
> > power-controller or SMP booting device. If we go down that route, there's
> > less advantage from having the virtual platform in the first place.
>
> There is actually a bigger problem here. Let's say that you have a
> quad SMP platform. You've arranged for your kernel to boot and only
> bring one of those cores online.
>
> You then kexec() or reboot. As far as the kernel is concerned, those
> other two CPUs are not online and are not running any kernel code;
> however in reality they could be sitting in this 'pen'.
>
> The memory that these 'offline' CPUs is executing then gets overwritten,
> and that's game over for those CPUs.
That's not strictly true. The device-tree passed to the kernel should have a
/memreserve/ entry for the SMP pen to avoid exactly this scenario. In real
hardware, this still sucks because you have spinning CPUs burning up power
but that's not such a problem with a virtual platform.
> So, the 'pen' approach in the kernel is fragile, I'd much rather not
> have it. It was fine in the beginning for the initial ARM Ltd SMP
> platforms but in this modern age it has no place in real platforms where
> there is proper control of the secondary CPUs.
We could have an (optional) virtual device for booting secondary CPUs but I
think the pen should still be there as a default method. Otherwise, we're
forcing a component of the platform to be emulated unnecessarily (the CPU,
vGIC and timers all have hardware-assisted virtualisation and require no
emulation).
Will
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-12-04 13:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-12-03 17:52 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add support for a fake, para-virtualised machine Will Deacon
2012-12-03 17:52 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] ARM: Dummy Virtual Machine platform support Will Deacon
2012-12-03 17:52 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] ARM: SMP support for mach-virt Will Deacon
2012-12-03 21:55 ` Rob Herring
2012-12-04 12:40 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 13:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-12-04 13:40 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2012-12-04 14:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-12-04 16:11 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 16:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-12-04 17:24 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 19:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-12-04 16:45 ` Rob Herring
2012-12-04 17:16 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 17:23 ` Rob Herring
2012-12-04 17:24 ` Marc Zyngier
2012-12-04 17:30 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-11 16:04 ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-12-11 16:09 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-11 16:34 ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-12-11 16:41 ` Ian Campbell
2012-12-11 16:43 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-11 17:14 ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-12-11 17:24 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 18:10 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-12-03 21:54 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add support for a fake, para-virtualised machine Rob Herring
2012-12-04 12:30 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 14:12 ` Rob Herring
2012-12-04 17:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-12-04 17:11 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-04 18:02 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-12-04 18:14 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-05 14:52 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-12-05 15:07 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-12-05 15:10 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-05 15:07 ` Will Deacon
2012-12-05 15:15 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-12-11 16:19 ` Stefano Stabellini
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