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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] kvm: add device control API
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:14:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221001437.GA29376@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1361404400.31212.12@snotra>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 05:53:20PM -0600, Scott Wood wrote:
> >Why exactly you need to set attributes Scott?
> 
> That's best answered by looking at patch 6/6 and discussing the
> actual attributes that are defined so far.
> 
> The need to set the base address of the registers is
> straightforward.  When ARM added their special ioctl for this, we
> discussed it being eventually replaced with a more general API (in
> fact, that was the reason they put "ARM" in the name).
> 
> Access to device registers was originally intended for debugging,
> and eventually migration.  It turned out to also be very useful for
> injecting MSIs -- nothing special needed to be done.  It Just
> Works(tm) the same way it does in hardware, with an MMIO write from
> a PCI device to a specific MPIC register.  Again, irqfd may
> complicate this, but there's no need for QEMU-generated MSIs to have
> to take a circuitous path.
> 
> Finally, there's the interrupt source attribute.  Even if we get rid
> of that, we'll need MPIC-specific documentation on how to flatten
> the IRQ numberspace, and if we ever have a cascaded PIC situation
> things could get ugly since there's no way to identify a specific
> IRQ controller in KVM_IRQ_LINE.
> 
> >Also related to this question is the point of avoiding the
> >implementation of devices to be spread across userspace and the kernel
> >(this is one point Avi brought up often). If the device emulation
> >is implemented entirely in the kernel, all is necessary are initial
> >values of device registers (and retrieval of those values later for
> >savevm/migration).
> 
> MPIC emulation is entirely in the kernel with this patchset --
> though the register that lets you reset cores will likely need to be
> kicked back to QEMU.
> 
> >It is then not necessary to set device attributes on a live guest and
> >deal with the complications associated with that.
> 
> Which complications?
> 
> -Scott

Semantics of individual attribute writes, for one.

Locking versus currently executing VCPUs, for another (see how
KVM_SET_IRQ's RCU usage, for instance, that is something should be
shared).


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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoffer Dall <cdall@cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] kvm: add device control API
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 21:14:37 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221001437.GA29376@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1361404400.31212.12@snotra>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 05:53:20PM -0600, Scott Wood wrote:
> >Why exactly you need to set attributes Scott?
> 
> That's best answered by looking at patch 6/6 and discussing the
> actual attributes that are defined so far.
> 
> The need to set the base address of the registers is
> straightforward.  When ARM added their special ioctl for this, we
> discussed it being eventually replaced with a more general API (in
> fact, that was the reason they put "ARM" in the name).
> 
> Access to device registers was originally intended for debugging,
> and eventually migration.  It turned out to also be very useful for
> injecting MSIs -- nothing special needed to be done.  It Just
> Works(tm) the same way it does in hardware, with an MMIO write from
> a PCI device to a specific MPIC register.  Again, irqfd may
> complicate this, but there's no need for QEMU-generated MSIs to have
> to take a circuitous path.
> 
> Finally, there's the interrupt source attribute.  Even if we get rid
> of that, we'll need MPIC-specific documentation on how to flatten
> the IRQ numberspace, and if we ever have a cascaded PIC situation
> things could get ugly since there's no way to identify a specific
> IRQ controller in KVM_IRQ_LINE.
> 
> >Also related to this question is the point of avoiding the
> >implementation of devices to be spread across userspace and the kernel
> >(this is one point Avi brought up often). If the device emulation
> >is implemented entirely in the kernel, all is necessary are initial
> >values of device registers (and retrieval of those values later for
> >savevm/migration).
> 
> MPIC emulation is entirely in the kernel with this patchset --
> though the register that lets you reset cores will likely need to be
> kicked back to QEMU.
> 
> >It is then not necessary to set device attributes on a live guest and
> >deal with the complications associated with that.
> 
> Which complications?
> 
> -Scott

Semantics of individual attribute writes, for one.

Locking versus currently executing VCPUs, for another (see how
KVM_SET_IRQ's RCU usage, for instance, that is something should be
shared).

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-21  0:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 261+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-14  5:49 [RFC PATCH 0/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel irqchip Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] kvm: add device control API Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-18 12:21   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-18 12:21     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-18 23:01     ` Scott Wood
2013-02-18 23:01       ` Scott Wood
2013-02-19  0:43       ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19  0:43         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19 12:24       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-19 12:24         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-19 15:51         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19 15:51           ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19 21:16         ` Scott Wood
2013-02-19 21:16           ` Scott Wood
2013-02-20 13:09           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-20 13:09             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-20 21:28             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 21:28               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 22:44               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 22:44                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 23:53               ` Scott Wood
2013-02-20 23:53                 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  0:14                 ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2013-02-21  0:14                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-21  1:28                   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  1:28                     ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  6:39                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-21  6:39                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-21 23:03                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-21 23:03                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-22  2:00                       ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22  2:00                         ` Scott Wood
2013-02-23 15:04                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-23 15:04                           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-26  0:27                           ` Scott Wood
2013-02-26  0:27                             ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  2:05             ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  2:05               ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  8:22               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-21  8:22                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-22  2:17                 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22  2:17                   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-24 15:46                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-24 15:46                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-25 15:23                     ` Alexander Graf
2013-02-25 15:23                       ` Alexander Graf
2013-02-26  2:38                     ` Scott Wood
2013-02-26  2:38                       ` Scott Wood
2013-02-20 21:17       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 21:17         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-20 23:20         ` Scott Wood
2013-02-20 23:20           ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  0:01           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-21  0:01             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-02-21  0:33             ` Scott Wood
2013-02-21  0:33               ` Scott Wood
2013-02-25  1:11     ` Paul Mackerras
2013-02-25  1:11       ` Paul Mackerras
2013-02-25 13:09       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-25 13:09         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-25 15:29         ` Alexander Graf
2013-02-25 15:29           ` Alexander Graf
2013-02-19  0:44   ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19  0:44     ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19  0:53     ` Scott Wood
2013-02-19  0:53       ` Scott Wood
2013-02-19  5:50       ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19  5:50         ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-19 12:45         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-19 12:45           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-19 20:16         ` Scott Wood
2013-02-19 20:16           ` Scott Wood
2013-02-20  2:16           ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-20  2:16             ` Christoffer Dall
2013-02-24 13:12             ` Marc Zyngier
2013-02-24 13:12               ` Marc Zyngier
2013-03-06  0:59   ` Paul Mackerras
2013-03-06  0:59     ` Paul Mackerras
2013-03-06  1:20     ` Scott Wood
2013-03-06  1:20       ` Scott Wood
2013-03-06  2:48   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-03-06  2:48     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-03-06  3:36     ` Scott Wood
2013-03-06  3:36       ` Scott Wood
2013-03-06  4:28       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-03-06  4:28         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-03-06 10:18     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-03-06 10:18       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] kvm/ppc: add a notifier chain for vcpu creation/destruction Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: import hw/openpic.c from QEMU Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: remove some obviously unneeded code Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: adapt to kernel style and environment Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel MPIC emulation Scott Wood
2013-02-14  5:49   ` Scott Wood
2013-03-21  8:28   ` Alexander Graf
2013-03-21  8:28     ` Alexander Graf
2013-03-21 14:43     ` Scott Wood
2013-03-21 14:43       ` Scott Wood
2013-03-21 14:52       ` Alexander Graf
2013-03-21 14:52         ` Alexander Graf
2013-02-18 12:04 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel irqchip Gleb Natapov
2013-02-18 12:04   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-02-18 23:05   ` Scott Wood
2013-02-18 23:05     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/6] device control and in-kernel MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/6] kvm: add device control API Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-02  6:59     ` tiejun.chen
2013-04-02  6:59       ` tiejun.chen
     [not found]       ` <1364923807.24520.2@snotra>
2013-04-03  1:28         ` tiejun.chen
2013-04-03  1:28           ` tiejun.chen
     [not found]           ` <1364952853.8690.3@snotra>
2013-04-03  1:42             ` tiejun.chen
2013-04-03  1:42               ` tiejun.chen
2013-04-03  1:02     ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-03  1:02       ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-03  1:19       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:19         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  2:17         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-03  2:17           ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-03 13:22           ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 13:22             ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 17:37             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 17:37               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 17:39               ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 17:39                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04  9:58                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04  9:58                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-03 21:03           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 21:03             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: import hw/openpic.c from QEMU Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: remove some obviously unneeded code Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: adapt to kernel style and environment Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel MPIC emulation Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47   ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: add KVM_CAP_IRQ_MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-01 22:47     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57   ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/6] device control and in-kernel MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/6] kvm: add device control API Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 15:13       ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 15:13         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 10:41       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 10:41         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 23:47         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 23:47           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-08 10:34           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-08 10:34             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-05  1:02         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-05  1:02           ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-08 10:37           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-08 10:37             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-08  5:33       ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-08  5:33         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-09  0:50         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-09  0:50           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: import hw/openpic.c from QEMU Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 3/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: remove some obviously unneeded code Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 4/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: adapt to kernel style and environment Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 5/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel MPIC emulation Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 15:55       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-03 15:55         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-03 20:58         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 20:58           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04  5:59           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04  5:59             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-04 23:33             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 23:33               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-08 10:39               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-08 10:39                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-03 16:19       ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 16:19         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 21:38         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 21:38           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 21:58           ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 21:58             ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 22:07             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 22:07               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 22:12               ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 22:12                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 22:54                 ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 22:54                   ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04  9:42                   ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04  9:42                     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-03 23:23               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 23:23                 ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03 23:23                 ` Scott Wood
2013-04-08  6:30       ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-08  6:30         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-09  0:49         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-09  0:49           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57     ` [RFC PATCH v3 6/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: add KVM_CAP_IRQ_MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-03  1:57       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 12:54       ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 12:54         ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 18:41         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 18:41           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 22:30           ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 22:30             ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-04 22:35             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-04 22:35               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-05  6:09               ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-05  6:09                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-05 17:11                 ` Scott Wood
2013-04-05 17:11                   ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] device-control and in-kernel MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 1/6] kvm: add device control API Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-25  9:43         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25  9:43           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 10:47           ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-25 10:47             ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-25 12:07             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 12:07               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 13:45               ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-25 13:45                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-25 13:51                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 13:51                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 16:51             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-25 16:51               ` Scott Wood
2013-04-25 18:22               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 18:22                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-25 18:59                 ` Scott Wood
2013-04-25 18:59                   ` Scott Wood
2013-04-26  9:53                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-26  9:53                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-26  9:55                     ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-26  9:55                       ` Alexander Graf
2013-04-26  9:57                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-26  9:57                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 2/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: import hw/openpic.c from QEMU Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 3/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: remove some obviously unneeded code Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 4/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: adapt to kernel style and environment Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 5/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: in-kernel MPIC emulation Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08       ` [PATCH v4 6/6] kvm/ppc/mpic: add KVM_CAP_IRQ_MPIC Scott Wood
2013-04-13  0:08         ` Scott Wood
2013-04-15  5:23         ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-15  5:23           ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-15 17:52           ` Scott Wood
2013-04-15 17:52             ` Scott Wood
2013-04-16  3:59             ` Paul Mackerras
2013-04-16  3:59               ` Paul Mackerras

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