From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
"Fernandes, Joel A" <joelagnel@ti.com>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, tony@atomide.com,
Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
u-boot@lists.denx.de, Tom Rini <trini@ti.com>,
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Subject: Re: [U-Boot] [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:28:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221232821.GA2823@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130221231848.880DE200552@gemini.denx.de>
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:18:48AM +0100, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > The DT is meant to describe hardware. As far as I know, the hardware I
> > own seems to be rather static and stable, and unlike software there is
> > no way I can change it (soldering irons don't count).
>
> There is other hardware available (for example FPGA based) where this
> does not apply.
Agreed.. We do that here as well, the DT is also used to describe the
functionality inside FPGA(s). We do things like declare a GPIO
controller inside the FPGA, then stack the bitbang MDIO/I2C on top of
that, then declare a bunch of devices on those busses. DT makes this
extremely straightforward.
However, it is critical that the DT, kernel and FPGA are matched
together - we always arrange things so that the DTB, kernel and FPGA
config are bundled together and update atomically during firmware
upgrade.
Xilinx's Zynq is a great example of this kind of stuff, FWIW. IIRC
Xilinx has a DT generator from their IP tools, so you can literally go
into their design software, configure the hardware IP blocks, and get
back a FPGA config and a DT to go with it.
Jason
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com (Jason Gunthorpe)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:28:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221232821.GA2823@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130221231848.880DE200552@gemini.denx.de>
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:18:48AM +0100, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > The DT is meant to describe hardware. As far as I know, the hardware I
> > own seems to be rather static and stable, and unlike software there is
> > no way I can change it (soldering irons don't count).
>
> There is other hardware available (for example FPGA based) where this
> does not apply.
Agreed.. We do that here as well, the DT is also used to describe the
functionality inside FPGA(s). We do things like declare a GPIO
controller inside the FPGA, then stack the bitbang MDIO/I2C on top of
that, then declare a bunch of devices on those busses. DT makes this
extremely straightforward.
However, it is critical that the DT, kernel and FPGA are matched
together - we always arrange things so that the DTB, kernel and FPGA
config are bundled together and update atomically during firmware
upgrade.
Xilinx's Zynq is a great example of this kind of stuff, FWIW. IIRC
Xilinx has a DT generator from their IP tools, so you can literally go
into their design software, configure the hardware IP blocks, and get
back a FPGA config and a DT to go with it.
Jason
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: u-boot@lists.denx.de
Subject: [U-Boot] [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:28:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130221232821.GA2823@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130221231848.880DE200552@gemini.denx.de>
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:18:48AM +0100, Wolfgang Denk wrote:
> > The DT is meant to describe hardware. As far as I know, the hardware I
> > own seems to be rather static and stable, and unlike software there is
> > no way I can change it (soldering irons don't count).
>
> There is other hardware available (for example FPGA based) where this
> does not apply.
Agreed.. We do that here as well, the DT is also used to describe the
functionality inside FPGA(s). We do things like declare a GPIO
controller inside the FPGA, then stack the bitbang MDIO/I2C on top of
that, then declare a bunch of devices on those busses. DT makes this
extremely straightforward.
However, it is critical that the DT, kernel and FPGA are matched
together - we always arrange things so that the DTB, kernel and FPGA
config are bundled together and update atomically during firmware
upgrade.
Xilinx's Zynq is a great example of this kind of stuff, FWIW. IIRC
Xilinx has a DT generator from their IP tools, so you can literally go
into their design software, configure the hardware IP blocks, and get
back a FPGA config and a DT to go with it.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-21 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-21 1:37 [RFC] Kbuild support for ARM FIT images Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 1:37 ` [U-Boot] " Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 1:37 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 4:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 4:26 ` [U-Boot] " Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 4:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 7:15 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 7:15 ` [U-Boot] " Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 7:15 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-21 18:58 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 18:58 ` [U-Boot] " Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 18:58 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:18 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 19:18 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:29 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:29 ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:29 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 19:03 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:03 ` [U-Boot] " Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:03 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 10:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 10:37 ` [U-Boot] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 10:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 13:20 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:20 ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:20 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 13:46 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 13:46 ` [U-Boot] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 13:46 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 14:08 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 14:08 ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
2013-02-21 14:08 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 14:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 14:37 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 14:46 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 14:46 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 17:25 ` [U-Boot] " Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 17:25 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 17:25 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 17:40 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 17:40 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 17:40 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 17:40 ` Tom Rini
2013-02-21 19:21 ` [U-Boot] " Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:37 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:37 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:37 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 20:05 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 20:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 20:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 20:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 21:18 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 21:18 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 21:18 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-22 0:10 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:10 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:10 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:39 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:39 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:39 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 20:48 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 20:48 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 20:48 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 18:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 20:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 20:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 20:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 19:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 21:14 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 22:05 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 22:05 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 22:05 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-02-21 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:50 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 23:50 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 23:50 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Scott Wood
2013-02-22 2:39 ` [U-Boot] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 2:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 0:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:27 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:41 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:41 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 2:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 2:11 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:18 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2013-02-21 23:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-21 23:28 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 0:19 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 2:22 ` [U-Boot] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 2:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 2:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 3:32 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 3:32 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 3:32 ` Rob Herring
2013-02-22 7:56 ` Jason Kridner
2013-02-22 7:56 ` Jason Kridner
2013-02-22 17:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 17:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 17:43 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-02-22 6:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-22 6:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-22 6:55 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 23:45 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 23:45 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-21 23:45 ` Stephen Warren
2013-02-22 0:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-22 0:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 20:56 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-21 20:56 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-21 20:56 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-02-21 17:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 17:37 ` [U-Boot] " Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 17:37 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-02-21 18:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-21 18:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-02-23 8:38 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-23 8:38 ` [U-Boot] " Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-23 8:38 ` Joel A Fernandes
2013-02-22 16:00 ` Olof Johansson
2013-02-22 16:00 ` [U-Boot] " Olof Johansson
2013-02-22 16:00 ` Olof Johansson
2013-03-18 16:36 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 16:36 ` [U-Boot] " Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 16:36 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 16:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 16:44 ` [U-Boot] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 16:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 17:49 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 17:49 ` [U-Boot] " Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 17:49 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 17:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 17:57 ` [U-Boot] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 17:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-03-18 18:04 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 18:04 ` [U-Boot] " Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 18:04 ` Pavel Machek
2013-03-18 18:14 ` [U-Boot] " Stephen Warren
2013-03-18 18:14 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-18 18:14 ` Stephen Warren
2013-03-18 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:57 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:51 ` [U-Boot] " Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 19:51 ` Wolfgang Denk
2013-03-18 18:29 ` [U-Boot] " Tom Rini
2013-03-18 18:29 ` Tom Rini
2013-03-18 18:29 ` Tom Rini
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