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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Janne Karhunen <janne.karhunen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] fs: allow dev accesses in userns in controlled situations
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 12:27:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130319172759.GB7027@sergelap> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE=NcrYeKQYqkPsB9FG5PpYd2VTqmTszfpY39aRJqR=vsXfa7w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Janne Karhunen (janne.karhunen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org):
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> 
> >> > Well the devcg was meant to be a temporary stopgap solution until we
> >> > have device namespaces, and this seems to entrench them further, but
> >> > it does make sense.
> >>
> >> Just out of interest, what would such device namespace actually
> >> do other than switch the device access on/off according to callers
> >> namespace?
> >
> > It could also support mapping of <type>:maj:min inside namespace to
> > a different device on host.  In most cases we probably don't actually
> > want that, but it's an interesting enough thing to be worth thinking
> > through.
> 
> It sounds to me that what you really want to do is likely use case and
> device specific. Hence the idea about namespace specific ioctl device
> action(s) might not be so bad. It would certainly be less intrusive than
> tampering with device registrations or rerouting nod file_operations for
> instance.
> 
> Classic on/off toggle case is easy though, but are there enough
> reasons for merging such 'noop' namespace?

Eric's point is precisely that we may be able to work aruond it
sufficiently that we don't need to.  Noone has proposed a specific
design let alone code, so it's premature to talk about merging
anything :)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-19 17:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-15  9:13 [PATCH 0/4] fix depvpts in user namespaces Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13 ` Glauber Costa
     [not found] ` <1363338823-25292-1-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15  9:13   ` [PATCH 1/4] dev_cgroup: keep track of which cgroup is the root cgroup Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1363338823-25292-2-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 14:07       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:43         ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:43         ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:43           ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:55           ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]           ` <514333A2.5060408-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 14:55             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:07       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 19:27       ` Aristeu Rozanski
2013-03-15  9:13   ` [PATCH 2/4] fs: allow dev accesses in userns in controlled situations Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1363338823-25292-3-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 14:20       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:20     ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-19 15:32       ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]         ` <CAE=Ncradvs_twWT8b6NQz85dm-Y8ayTH7NFv=i0vjYXpRBW9sg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-19 15:37           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-19 16:52             ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]               ` <CAE=NcrYeKQYqkPsB9FG5PpYd2VTqmTszfpY39aRJqR=vsXfa7w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-19 17:27                 ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2013-03-19 18:08                   ` Janne Karhunen
     [not found]                     ` <CAE=NcraBvk_hwCd9BgASpDBkmEB+fg-kKwAPbT7bQeFRbq5DSg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-19 19:15                       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-19 23:29                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15  9:13   ` [PATCH 3/4] fs: allow mknod in user namespaces Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13     ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 18:03     ` Vasily Kulikov
2013-03-15 20:43     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15 20:43       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]       ` <87a9q4gzs1.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-16  0:23         ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-16  0:23       ` Serge Hallyn
     [not found]     ` <1363338823-25292-4-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 14:37       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:49         ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:49         ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:49           ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <51433511.1020808-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 15:14             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 15:14             ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:37       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 18:03       ` Vasily Kulikov
2013-03-15 20:43       ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15  9:13   ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13   ` [PATCH 4/4] devpts: fix usage " Glauber Costa
2013-03-15  9:13     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <1363338823-25292-5-git-send-email-glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 14:45       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:45       ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15  9:13   ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 10:26   ` [PATCH 0/4] fix depvpts " Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15 14:00     ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 14:42       ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:42         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <5143333E.1040100-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 15:21           ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 15:26             ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 15:26               ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]               ` <51433DBE.9020109-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 15:58                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 15:58                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-15 16:01                   ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 21:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15 21:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15 21:02                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <87txoce5qy.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-18  3:20                   ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-18  3:20                 ` Serge Hallyn
2013-03-18 21:23                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-03-15 15:26             ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:42       ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]     ` <87boalt0vi.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-15 12:01       ` Glauber Costa
2013-03-15 14:00       ` Serge Hallyn

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