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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Jason Gunthorpe
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Roland Dreier <roland-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michael R. Hines"
	<mrhines-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Hal Rosenstock
	<hal.rosenstock-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih-VPRAkNaXOzVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-rdma-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rdma: don't make pages writeable if not requiested
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:15:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130321191541.GB5272@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130321184135.GA8044-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:41:35PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 08:16:33PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > This is the one I find redundant. Since the write will be done by
> > the adaptor under direct control by the application, why does it
> > make sense to declare this beforehand?  If you don't want to allow
> > local write access to memory, just do not post any receive WRs with
> > this address.  If you posted and regret it, reset the QP to cancel.
> 
> This is to support your COW scenario - the app declares before hand to
> the kernel that it will write to the memory and the kernel ensures
> pages are dedicated to the app at registration time. Or the app says
> it will only read and the kernel could leave them shared.

Someone here is confused. LOCAL_WRITE/absence of it does not address
COW, it breaks COW anyway.  Are you now saying we should change rdma so
without LOCAL_WRITE it will not break COW?

> The adaptor enforces the access control to prevent a naughty app from
> writing to shared memory - think about mmap'ing libc.so and then using
> RDMA to write to the shared pages. It is necessary to ensure that is
> impossible.
> 
> Jason

That's why it's redundant: we can't trust an application to tell us
'this page is writeable', we must get this info from kernel.  And so
there's apparently no need for application to tell adaptor about
LOCAL_WRITE.

-- 
MST
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	"Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@mellanox.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] rdma: don't make pages writeable if not requiested
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:15:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130321191541.GB5272@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130321184135.GA8044@obsidianresearch.com>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:41:35PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 08:16:33PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > This is the one I find redundant. Since the write will be done by
> > the adaptor under direct control by the application, why does it
> > make sense to declare this beforehand?  If you don't want to allow
> > local write access to memory, just do not post any receive WRs with
> > this address.  If you posted and regret it, reset the QP to cancel.
> 
> This is to support your COW scenario - the app declares before hand to
> the kernel that it will write to the memory and the kernel ensures
> pages are dedicated to the app at registration time. Or the app says
> it will only read and the kernel could leave them shared.

Someone here is confused. LOCAL_WRITE/absence of it does not address
COW, it breaks COW anyway.  Are you now saying we should change rdma so
without LOCAL_WRITE it will not break COW?

> The adaptor enforces the access control to prevent a naughty app from
> writing to shared memory - think about mmap'ing libc.so and then using
> RDMA to write to the shared pages. It is necessary to ensure that is
> impossible.
> 
> Jason

That's why it's redundant: we can't trust an application to tell us
'this page is writeable', we must get this info from kernel.  And so
there's apparently no need for application to tell adaptor about
LOCAL_WRITE.

-- 
MST

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
Cc: Roland Dreier <roland@kernel.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Yishai Hadas <yishaih@mellanox.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Hal Rosenstock <hal.rosenstock@gmail.com>,
	Sean Hefty <sean.hefty@intel.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] rdma: don't make pages writeable if not requiested
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 21:15:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130321191541.GB5272@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130321184135.GA8044@obsidianresearch.com>

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 12:41:35PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 08:16:33PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> > This is the one I find redundant. Since the write will be done by
> > the adaptor under direct control by the application, why does it
> > make sense to declare this beforehand?  If you don't want to allow
> > local write access to memory, just do not post any receive WRs with
> > this address.  If you posted and regret it, reset the QP to cancel.
> 
> This is to support your COW scenario - the app declares before hand to
> the kernel that it will write to the memory and the kernel ensures
> pages are dedicated to the app at registration time. Or the app says
> it will only read and the kernel could leave them shared.

Someone here is confused. LOCAL_WRITE/absence of it does not address
COW, it breaks COW anyway.  Are you now saying we should change rdma so
without LOCAL_WRITE it will not break COW?

> The adaptor enforces the access control to prevent a naughty app from
> writing to shared memory - think about mmap'ing libc.so and then using
> RDMA to write to the shared pages. It is necessary to ensure that is
> impossible.
> 
> Jason

That's why it's redundant: we can't trust an application to tell us
'this page is writeable', we must get this info from kernel.  And so
there's apparently no need for application to tell adaptor about
LOCAL_WRITE.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-21 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-21  6:18 [PATCH] rdma: don't make pages writeable if not requiested Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  6:18 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  6:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found] ` <20130321061838.GA28319-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  6:55   ` Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  6:55     ` [Qemu-devel] " Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  6:55     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]     ` <CAL1RGDUcMj9QVsuQgK+ozw64L6-cGehL7YBUJ1_ckni6TD=Kcg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  7:03       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  7:03         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  7:03         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20130321070357.GD28328-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  7:15           ` Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  7:15             ` [Qemu-devel] " Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  7:15             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]             ` <CAG4TOxPkhOhGmzeA1K4a0Zw8HxS-QkOr-PCx7mJgA+KkuH3ZiQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  8:51               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  8:51                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  8:51                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                 ` <20130321085107.GE28328-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  9:13                   ` Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  9:13                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Roland Dreier
2013-03-21  9:13                     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                     ` <CAL1RGDVnkLZU2Vge4o3BwDxnAfGv7TQRMqE6ha3MUt39CVp5NQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21  9:39                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  9:39                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  9:39                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                         ` <20130321093946.GG28328-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 17:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:11                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:11                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                             ` <20130321171115.GA653-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 17:15                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 17:15                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 17:15                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                 ` <20130321171525.GE2994-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 17:21                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:21                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:21                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20130321172150.GA3118-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 17:42                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 17:42                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 17:42                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                         ` <20130321174237.GA4060-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 17:57                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:57                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 17:57                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                             ` <20130321175732.GA3263-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 18:03                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 18:03                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 18:03                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 18:16                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 18:16                                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 18:16                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                 ` <20130321181633.GC4366-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 18:41                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 18:41                                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 18:41                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                     ` <20130321184135.GA8044-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 19:15                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-03-21 19:15                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 19:15                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]                                         ` <20130321191541.GB5272-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 20:09                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 20:09                                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21 20:09                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-03-21  9:32       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  9:32         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21  9:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20130321093230.GF28328-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-03-21 11:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 11:30             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 11:30             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 12:23   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-21 12:23     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael R. Hines
2013-03-21 12:23     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-21 12:32     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 12:32       ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin

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