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From: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	wim@iguana.be, Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	dyoung@redhat.com, vgoyal@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] watchdog: Add hook for kicking in kdump path
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:44:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130418174432.GN79013@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ip3j94qu.fsf@xmission.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:35:05AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > A common problem with kdump is that during the boot up of the
> > second kernel, the hardware watchdog times out and reboots the
> > machine before a vmcore can be captured.
> >
> > Instead of tellling customers to disable their hardware watchdog
> > timers, I hacked up a hook to put in the kdump path that provides
> > one last kick before jumping into the second kernel.
> 
> Having thought about this a little more this patch is actively wrong.
> 
> The problem is you can easily be petting the watchdog in violation of
> whatever policy is normally in place.  Which means that this extra
> petting can result in a system that is unavailable for an unacceptably
> long period of time.

Not really, just an extra period which isn't that much.  This would only
be noticable if kdump is setup and enabled and then _hung_, otherwise it
just quickly reboots and noone notices. :-)

> 
> I expect most watchdog policies are not that strict, but this patch
> would preclude using those that are.

I would assume most of those users would not enable kdump and would not be
affected.

> 
> And like is being discussed in another subthread it does look like
> changing the timeout and the interval should be enough all on it's own.

Probably and I will pursue that.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Cheers,
Don

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From: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	wim@iguana.be, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	vgoyal@redhat.com, dyoung@redhat.com,
	Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] watchdog: Add hook for kicking in kdump path
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:44:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130418174432.GN79013@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ip3j94qu.fsf@xmission.com>

On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:35:05AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > A common problem with kdump is that during the boot up of the
> > second kernel, the hardware watchdog times out and reboots the
> > machine before a vmcore can be captured.
> >
> > Instead of tellling customers to disable their hardware watchdog
> > timers, I hacked up a hook to put in the kdump path that provides
> > one last kick before jumping into the second kernel.
> 
> Having thought about this a little more this patch is actively wrong.
> 
> The problem is you can easily be petting the watchdog in violation of
> whatever policy is normally in place.  Which means that this extra
> petting can result in a system that is unavailable for an unacceptably
> long period of time.

Not really, just an extra period which isn't that much.  This would only
be noticable if kdump is setup and enabled and then _hung_, otherwise it
just quickly reboots and noone notices. :-)

> 
> I expect most watchdog policies are not that strict, but this patch
> would preclude using those that are.

I would assume most of those users would not enable kdump and would not be
affected.

> 
> And like is being discussed in another subthread it does look like
> changing the timeout and the interval should be enough all on it's own.

Probably and I will pursue that.  Thanks for the suggestion.

Cheers,
Don

  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-18 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-17 21:19 [PATCH v3] watchdog: Add hook for kicking in kdump path Don Zickus
2013-04-17 21:19 ` Don Zickus
2013-04-17 21:33 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-17 21:33   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-17 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-17 21:49   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-18  3:03   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-18  3:03     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-18 13:00   ` Don Zickus
2013-04-18 13:00     ` Don Zickus
2013-04-18 13:49     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-18 13:49       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-18 13:52       ` Don Zickus
2013-04-18 13:52         ` Don Zickus
2013-04-18 14:54         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-18 14:54           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-24 14:42           ` Don Zickus
2013-04-24 14:42             ` Don Zickus
2013-04-24 15:21             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-04-24 15:21               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-05-27 19:16               ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2013-05-28  1:10                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-05-28  1:10                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-05-30 20:37                   ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2013-05-28 15:34                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-05-28 15:34                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-05-30 21:54                   ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2013-04-18 16:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-18 16:35   ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-18 17:44   ` Don Zickus [this message]
2013-04-18 17:44     ` Don Zickus
2013-04-18 18:09     ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-04-18 18:09       ` Eric W. Biederman

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