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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	KONRAD Frederic <fred.konrad@greensocs.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] virtio-pci: new config layout: using memory BAR
Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:16:01 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130529181601.GD1771@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k3mhkf7o.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 09:55:55AM -0500, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > Not we. The BIOS can disable IO BAR: it can do this already
> > but the device won't be functional.
> 
> But the only way to expose the device over PCI express is to disable the
> IO BAR, right?

I think this is the source of the misunderstanding:

	1.3.2.2.  PCI Express Endpoint Rules

	...

	PCI Express Endpoint must not depend on operating system
	allocation of I/O resources claimed through BAR(s).

The real meaning here is *not* that an Endpoint should not
have an I/O BAR. An Endpoint can have an I/O BAR,
and PCI Express spec supports I/O transactions.
The meaning is that an Endpoint should work
even if *the OS* decides to disable the I/O BAR.
Note: it's up to the guest. We support I/O
as a device with full compatibility for old guests,
but must be prepared to handle a guest which does not
enable I/O.

This likely means that as time goes on,
future OSes will start disabling I/O BARs,
relying on this not hurting functionality.

-- 
MST

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-05-29 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-28 16:03 [PATCH RFC] virtio-pci: new config layout: using memory BAR Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-28 17:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-28 17:32   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-28 17:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  2:02       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-29  2:02         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-29  4:33       ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-29  7:27         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  8:05           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 10:07           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-29  4:33       ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-28 18:53     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-28 19:27       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  4:31   ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-29  4:31     ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-29  8:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  8:52       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  9:00       ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-29 10:08         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 10:53           ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-29 12:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 12:28               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29 12:37                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 12:52     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 12:52       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 13:24       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 13:35         ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-29 13:35         ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-29 13:41         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29 14:02           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 14:18           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 14:18           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-30  7:43           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 14:16         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 14:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 14:32             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29 14:52               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 14:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 14:55             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 18:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-05-29 14:16         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-30  3:58       ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-30  3:58         ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-30  5:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30  7:55         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  0:17           ` Rusty Russell
2013-05-30 13:53         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-30 13:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-30 14:01           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  0:26             ` Rusty Russell
2013-06-03 10:11               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-04  5:31                 ` Rusty Russell
2013-06-04  6:42                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05  7:19                     ` Rusty Russell
2013-06-05 10:22                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 12:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 14:09                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 15:08                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 15:19                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 15:46                             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 15:46                             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 16:20                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 18:57                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 19:43                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 19:52                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 20:45                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 21:15                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-05 21:15                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 20:42                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 21:14                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 21:53                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 21:53                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 22:19                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-05 22:53                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 23:27                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-05 19:54                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-06  3:42                                   ` Rusty Russell
2013-06-06 14:59                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-07  1:58                                       ` Rusty Russell
2013-06-07  8:25                                       ` Peter Maydell
2013-06-05 21:10                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-05 21:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-05 21:50                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 21:55                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-05 22:08                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-05 23:07                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-06  0:41                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-06  6:34                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-06 13:53                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-06 15:02                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-06 15:02                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-07 11:30                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-11  7:10                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-11  7:53                                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-11  8:02                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-11  8:03                                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-11  8:19                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-11  8:22                                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-11  8:30                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-11  8:32                                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-11  8:04                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-06 15:06                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-06-06 15:10                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-06 15:19                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-06 15:22                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-07-08  4:25                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-06-06  8:02                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-28 17:15 ` Anthony Liguori

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