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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
	laijs@cn.fujitsu.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com,
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	peterz@infradead.org, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
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	fweisbec@gmail.com, sbw@mit.edu, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Davidlohr Bueso <davidlohr.bueso@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC ticketlock] Auto-queued ticketlock
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:09:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130611210914.GJ5146@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1370984210.9844.225.camel@gandalf.local.home>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 04:56:50PM -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-06-11 at 12:49 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> 
> > +config TICKET_LOCK_QUEUED
> > +	bool "Dynamically switch between ticket and queued locking"
> > +	depends on SMP
> > +	default n
> > +	---help---
> > +	  Enable dynamic switching between ticketlock and queued locking
> > +	  on a per-lock basis.  This option will slow down low-contention
> > +	  acquisition and release very slightly (additional conditional
> > +	  in release path), but will provide more efficient operation at
> > +	  high levels of lock contention.  High-contention operation will
> > +	  not be quite as efficient as would be a pure queued lock, but
> > +	  this dynamic approach consumes less memory than queud locks
> > +	  and also runs faster at low levels of contention.
> > +
> > +	  Say "Y" if you are running on a large system with a workload
> > +	  that is likely to result in high levels of contention.
> > +
> > +	  Say "N" if you are unsure.
> > +
> > +config TICKET_LOCK_QUEUED_SWITCH
> > +	int "When to switch from ticket to queued locking"
> > +	depends on TICKET_LOCK_QUEUED
> > +	default 8
> > +	range 3 32
> > +	---help---
> > +	  Specify how many tasks should be spinning on the lock before
> > +	  switching to queued mode.  Systems with low-latency memory/cache
> > +	  interconnects will prefer larger numbers, while extreme low-latency
> > +	  and real-time workloads will prefer a smaller number.  Of course,
> > +	  extreme real-time workloads would be even happier if contention
> > +	  on the locks were reduced to the point that there was never any
> > +	  need for queued locking in the first place.
> 
> Are you sure real-time wants low numbers? I would think that real-time
> would want this off. This is just a way to help prevent cache ping
> ponging, but it adds to non-deterministic behavior. As I mentioned
> before, even though you fixed the thundering herd on setup, once the
> queue is set, then we will get a thundering herd of tasks trying to
> queue itself, and the task that was spinning the longest could very well
> become the one at the end of the FIFO.

Me?  I think that real-time just wants contention to remain low, so that
this sort of thing isn't needed in the first place.  And now that you
mention it, I suppose that is one of the few things that real-time and
real-fast workloads have in common.

But if you had some mixed workload on a large system that was mostly
real-fast, but had a real-time component, and if the real-fast portion
needed TICKET_LOCK_QUEUED=y, then I would guess that the real-time
portion would want a relatively low number for TICKET_LOCK_QUEUED_SWITCH.

							Thanx, Paul

> -- Steve
> 
> 
> 
> > +
> > +	  Take the default if you are unsure.
> > diff --git a/kernel/Makefile b/kernel/Makefile
> 
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-11 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-09 19:36 [PATCH RFC ticketlock] Auto-queued ticketlock Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 20:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 20:57   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:01   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-10 21:15     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-10 21:30   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 21:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2013-06-10 21:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-10 23:02 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:22   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  0:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  0:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11  7:53     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 10:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:22         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:45           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 10:06     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:53     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:05       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:10       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 18:14         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 18:46         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 17:50         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 18:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:03             ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 20:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 20:40                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-12 21:06                 ` Raymond Jennings
2013-06-12 23:32                 ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:20                     ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-13  0:49                         ` Al Viro
2013-06-13  0:59                           ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 15:00                             ` Waiman Long
2013-06-14 15:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-14 18:17                                 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-15  1:26                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-06-15  3:36                                     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-12 20:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-12 18:18           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:56   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11  1:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11  9:52   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 14:48 ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 15:10   ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-11 16:48     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:17       ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:30         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 16:21   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 15:57 ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 16:43     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 16:36   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:01     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:16       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 18:41     ` Waiman Long
2013-06-11 18:54       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2013-06-11 19:49       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:09         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:32           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:53             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 20:25         ` Jason Low
2013-06-11 20:36           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 20:56         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 21:09           ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2013-06-12  1:19         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12  1:58           ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-12 10:12             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 11:06             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:21               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 14:15         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 14:44           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:02 ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v2 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2013-06-11 17:49     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-11 17:36   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-06-11 17:52     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 15:40   ` [PATCH RFC ticketlock] v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-12 16:13     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-12 16:59       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13  2:55     ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 15:22       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-13 23:25         ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-13 23:57           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  1:28             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:49               ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-06-14  7:12             ` Lai Jiangshan
2013-06-14 23:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]     ` <CAC4Lta3dpTDc19rXLVQkZrxbu8AJL+Foc6ocAktUAozCpk2-Mg@mail.gmail.com>
2013-07-01  9:19       ` Raghavendra KT
2013-07-02  5:56         ` Paul E. McKenney

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