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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, roland@kernel.org,
	kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com, penberg@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Revert pinned_vm braindamage
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:34:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130620113431.GA12125@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1306171417450.4234@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>


* Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Let's try to get this wrapped up?
> > 
> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:43:51 +0200 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Patch bc3e53f682 ("mm: distinguish between mlocked and pinned pages")
> > > broke RLIMIT_MEMLOCK.
> > 
> > I rather like what bc3e53f682 did, actually.  RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits the
> > amount of memory you can mlock().  Nice and simple.
> > 
> > This pinning thing which infiniband/perf are doing is conceptually
> > different and if we care at all, perhaps we should be looking at adding
> > RLIMIT_PINNED.
> 
> Actually PINNED is just a stronger version of MEMLOCK. PINNED and 
> MEMLOCK are both preventing the page from being paged out. PINNED adds 
> the constraint of preventing minor faults as well.
> 
> So I think the really important tuning knob is the limitation of pages 
> which cannot be paged out. And this is what RLIMIT_MEMLOCK is about.
> 
> Now if you want to add RLIMIT_PINNED as well, then it only limits the 
> number of pages which cannot create minor faults, but that does not 
> affect the limitation of total pages which cannot be paged out.

Agreed.

( Furthermore, the RLIMIT_MEMLOCK semantics change actively broke code so
  this is not academic and it would be nice to progress with it. )

Thanks,

	Ingo

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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, roland@kernel.org,
	kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com, penberg@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
	Mike Marciniszyn <infinipath@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Revert pinned_vm braindamage
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:34:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130620113431.GA12125@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1306171417450.4234@ionos.tec.linutronix.de>


* Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > Let's try to get this wrapped up?
> > 
> > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:43:51 +0200 Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Patch bc3e53f682 ("mm: distinguish between mlocked and pinned pages")
> > > broke RLIMIT_MEMLOCK.
> > 
> > I rather like what bc3e53f682 did, actually.  RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits the
> > amount of memory you can mlock().  Nice and simple.
> > 
> > This pinning thing which infiniband/perf are doing is conceptually
> > different and if we care at all, perhaps we should be looking at adding
> > RLIMIT_PINNED.
> 
> Actually PINNED is just a stronger version of MEMLOCK. PINNED and 
> MEMLOCK are both preventing the page from being paged out. PINNED adds 
> the constraint of preventing minor faults as well.
> 
> So I think the really important tuning knob is the limitation of pages 
> which cannot be paged out. And this is what RLIMIT_MEMLOCK is about.
> 
> Now if you want to add RLIMIT_PINNED as well, then it only limits the 
> number of pages which cannot create minor faults, but that does not 
> affect the limitation of total pages which cannot be paged out.

Agreed.

( Furthermore, the RLIMIT_MEMLOCK semantics change actively broke code so
  this is not academic and it would be nice to progress with it. )

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-20 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-06 12:43 [PATCH] mm: Revert pinned_vm braindamage Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-06 12:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-06 18:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-06 18:46   ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-07 11:03   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-07 11:03     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20130607110344.GA27176-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-07 14:52       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-07 14:52         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-07 14:52         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-17 11:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-17 11:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-17 18:36           ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-17 18:36             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]             ` <0000013f536c60ee-9a1ca9da-b798-416a-a32e-c896813d3bac-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 11:49               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-20 11:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-20 11:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-06-20 14:48                 ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-20 14:48                   ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                   ` <0000013f620f4699-f484f28e-3d12-4560-adfe-3b00af995fd9-000000-p/GC64/jrecnJqMo6gzdpkEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-21  6:25                     ` Roland Dreier
2013-06-21  6:25                       ` Roland Dreier
2013-06-21  6:25                       ` Roland Dreier
2013-06-21 14:44                       ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-21 14:44                         ` Christoph Lameter
2013-06-13 21:06 ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-13 21:06   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-17  9:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-17  9:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]   ` <20130613140632.15982af2ebc443b24bfff86a-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-17 12:28     ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-17 12:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-17 12:28       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-06-20 11:34       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2013-06-20 11:34         ` Ingo Molnar

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