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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
To: Hiroshi Doyu <hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC 2/3] ARM: dma-mapping: Pass DMA attrs as IOMMU prot
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:57:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201306201257.58419.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130620.133407.798194318297047071.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Thursday 20 June 2013, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org> wrote @ Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:13:13 +0200:
> 
> > On Thursday 20 June 2013, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
> > > > If devices allocate via dma-mapping API, physical mem allocation, iova
> > > > allocation and iommu mapping happens internally.
> > > > Devices may allocate physical memory using any allocator (say ION
> > > > including carveout area), use "iommu mapping" API which will do iova
> > > > allocation and iommu mapping. The prot flags could be useful in this
> > > > case as well - not sure whether we would need dma-attrs here.
> > > 
> > > I haven't followed ION recently, but can't ION backed by DMA mapping
> > > API instead of using IOMMU API directly?
> > 
> > For a GPU with an IOMMU, you typically want per-process IOMMU contexts,
> > which are only available when using the IOMMU API directly, as the
> > dma-mapping abstraction uses only one context for kernel space.
> 
> Yes, we had some experiment for switching IOMMU context with DMA
> mapping API. We needed to add some new DMA mapping API, and didn't
> look so nice at that time. What do you think to introduce multiple
> context or switching context in dma-mapping abstruction?

My feeling is that drivers with the need for multiple contexts
are better off using the iommu API, since that is what it was
made for. The dma-mapping abstraction really tries to hide the
bus address assignment, while users with multiple contexts typically
also want to control the bus addresses.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Linaro-mm-sig] [RFC 2/3] ARM: dma-mapping: Pass DMA attrs as IOMMU prot
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:57:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201306201257.58419.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130620.133407.798194318297047071.hdoyu@nvidia.com>

On Thursday 20 June 2013, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
> Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote @ Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:13:13 +0200:
> 
> > On Thursday 20 June 2013, Hiroshi Doyu wrote:
> > > > If devices allocate via dma-mapping API, physical mem allocation, iova
> > > > allocation and iommu mapping happens internally.
> > > > Devices may allocate physical memory using any allocator (say ION
> > > > including carveout area), use "iommu mapping" API which will do iova
> > > > allocation and iommu mapping. The prot flags could be useful in this
> > > > case as well - not sure whether we would need dma-attrs here.
> > > 
> > > I haven't followed ION recently, but can't ION backed by DMA mapping
> > > API instead of using IOMMU API directly?
> > 
> > For a GPU with an IOMMU, you typically want per-process IOMMU contexts,
> > which are only available when using the IOMMU API directly, as the
> > dma-mapping abstraction uses only one context for kernel space.
> 
> Yes, we had some experiment for switching IOMMU context with DMA
> mapping API. We needed to add some new DMA mapping API, and didn't
> look so nice at that time. What do you think to introduce multiple
> context or switching context in dma-mapping abstruction?

My feeling is that drivers with the need for multiple contexts
are better off using the iommu API, since that is what it was
made for. The dma-mapping abstraction really tries to hide the
bus address assignment, while users with multiple contexts typically
also want to control the bus addresses.

	Arnd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-20 10:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-20  5:49 [RFC 0/3] How to pass IOMMU map attr via DMA API? Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  5:49 ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found] ` <1371707384-30037-1-git-send-email-hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  5:49   ` [RFC 1/3] common: DMA-mapping: add DMA_ATTR_READ_ONLY attribute Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  5:49   ` [RFC 2/3] ARM: dma-mapping: Pass DMA attrs as IOMMU prot Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]     ` <1371707384-30037-3-git-send-email-hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  8:07       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Nishanth Peethambaran
2013-06-20  8:07         ` Nishanth Peethambaran
     [not found]         ` <CAMcxFTRnnCnPnvMi89r7rUsN4xeYzZGqy9s5v5ukm_fJ_d_RGg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  8:24           ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  8:24             ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]             ` <20130620.112439.1330557591655135630.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  8:55               ` Nishanth Peethambaran
2013-06-20  8:55                 ` Nishanth Peethambaran
     [not found]                 ` <CAMcxFTS0dUUEfGj-=-cb_rdfy+qWvtsaoR6Tv+-x05XX0mZmmw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  9:54                   ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  9:54                     ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]                     ` <20130620.125431.1161068035083905855.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 10:13                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2013-06-20 10:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                         ` <201306201213.13644.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 10:34                           ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20 10:34                             ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]                             ` <20130620.133407.798194318297047071.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 10:57                               ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2013-06-20 10:57                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                                 ` <201306201257.58419.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 12:49                                   ` Nishanth Peethambaran
2013-06-20 12:49                                     ` Nishanth Peethambaran
2013-06-20  5:49   ` [RFC 3/3] iommu/tegra: smmu: Support read-only mapping Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]     ` <1371707384-30037-4-git-send-email-hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  6:50       ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Kyungmin Park
2013-06-20  6:50         ` Kyungmin Park
     [not found]         ` <CAH9JG2VUCJErBNwT0_u_9niaSWUza5gJ-+q8OOJhrrdw5D-hUg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  7:27           ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  7:27             ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  9:31   ` [RFC 0/3] How to pass IOMMU map attr via DMA API? Will Deacon
2013-06-20  9:31     ` Will Deacon
     [not found]     ` <20130620093152.GE2842-MRww78TxoiP5vMa5CHWGZ34zcgK1vI+I0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20  9:59       ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20  9:59         ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]         ` <20130620.125929.2250094502232662356.hdoyu-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 10:11           ` Catalin Marinas
2013-06-20 10:11             ` Catalin Marinas
     [not found]             ` <20130620101110.GB18536-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-20 11:00               ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20 11:00                 ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-20 10:12           ` Will Deacon
2013-06-20 10:12             ` Will Deacon
2013-06-21  7:17   ` Marek Szyprowski
2013-06-21  7:17     ` Marek Szyprowski
     [not found]     ` <51C3FE27.5070702-Sze3O3UU22JBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-21 16:03       ` Joerg Roedel
2013-06-21 16:03         ` Joerg Roedel
     [not found]         ` <20130621160344.GM11309-zLv9SwRftAIdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-24  5:17           ` Hiroshi Doyu
2013-06-24  5:17             ` Hiroshi Doyu
     [not found]             ` <20130624081759.76e66d42bbf7c2c54ed1975c-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-06-24  7:21               ` Joerg Roedel
2013-06-24  7:21                 ` Joerg Roedel

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