From: Michael Ellerman <michael@ellerman.id.au>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
Vince Weaver <vince@deater.net>,
acme@redhat.com, paulus@samba.org,
xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
Runzhen Wang <runzhen@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
mingo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] perf tools: Make Power7 events available for perf
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:09:26 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130710030926.GD7491@concordia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130709081434.GI25631@dyad.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 10:14:34AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:24:34PM -0400, Vince Weaver wrote:
> >
> > So something like they have on ARM?
> >
> > vince@pandaboard:/sys/bus/event_source/devices$ ls -l
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 ARMv7 Cortex-A9 -> ../../../devices/ARMv7 Cortex-A9
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 breakpoint -> ../../../devices/breakpoint
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 software -> ../../../devices/software
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 tracepoint -> ../../../devices/tracepoint
>
> Right so what I remember of the ARM case is that their /proc/cpuinfo isn't
> sufficient to identify their PMU. And they don't have a cpuid like instruction
> at all.
>
> > > For the cpu you can obviously just detect what processor you're on with
> > > cpuid or whatever, but it's a bit of a hack. And that really doesn't
> > > work for non-cpu PMUs.
> >
> > why is it a hack to use cpuid?
>
> I agree, for x86 cpuid is perfectly fine, as would /proc/cpuinfo be, I suspect
> that just the model number is sufficient in most cases, even for uncore stuff.
What about things on PCI? Other strange buses?
As long as everything's in /sys then it should be _possible_ for
userspace to work out what's what, but it's going to end up with a bunch
of detection logic and heuristics in the library.
At which point you've just rewritten libpfm4.
cheers
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From: Michael Ellerman <michael@ellerman.id.au>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vince Weaver <vincent.weaver@maine.edu>,
Vince Weaver <vince@deater.net>,
Runzhen Wang <runzhen@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
paulus@samba.org, acme@redhat.com, mingo@kernel.org,
Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com, xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] perf tools: Make Power7 events available for perf
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 13:09:26 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130710030926.GD7491@concordia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130709081434.GI25631@dyad.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 10:14:34AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 10:24:34PM -0400, Vince Weaver wrote:
> >
> > So something like they have on ARM?
> >
> > vince@pandaboard:/sys/bus/event_source/devices$ ls -l
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 ARMv7 Cortex-A9 -> ../../../devices/ARMv7 Cortex-A9
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 breakpoint -> ../../../devices/breakpoint
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 software -> ../../../devices/software
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jul 8 21:57 tracepoint -> ../../../devices/tracepoint
>
> Right so what I remember of the ARM case is that their /proc/cpuinfo isn't
> sufficient to identify their PMU. And they don't have a cpuid like instruction
> at all.
>
> > > For the cpu you can obviously just detect what processor you're on with
> > > cpuid or whatever, but it's a bit of a hack. And that really doesn't
> > > work for non-cpu PMUs.
> >
> > why is it a hack to use cpuid?
>
> I agree, for x86 cpuid is perfectly fine, as would /proc/cpuinfo be, I suspect
> that just the model number is sufficient in most cases, even for uncore stuff.
What about things on PCI? Other strange buses?
As long as everything's in /sys then it should be _possible_ for
userspace to work out what's what, but it's going to end up with a bunch
of detection logic and heuristics in the library.
At which point you've just rewritten libpfm4.
cheers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-07-10 3:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-25 14:35 [PATCH v2 0/2] perf tools: Power7 events name available for perf Runzhen Wang
2013-06-25 14:35 ` Runzhen Wang
2013-06-25 14:35 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] perf tools: fix a typo of a Power7 event name Runzhen Wang
2013-06-25 14:35 ` Runzhen Wang
2013-06-27 14:26 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-06-27 14:26 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-06-25 14:35 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] perf tools: Make Power7 events available for perf Runzhen Wang
2013-06-25 14:35 ` Runzhen Wang
2013-06-25 16:46 ` Vince Weaver
2013-06-25 16:46 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-04 12:52 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-04 12:52 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-04 12:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-04 12:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-05 10:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-05 10:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-09 1:29 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-09 1:29 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-09 2:24 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-09 2:24 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-09 3:34 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-09 3:34 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-09 15:20 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-09 15:20 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-10 2:37 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-10 2:37 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-09 8:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-09 8:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-09 15:05 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-09 15:05 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-11 10:58 ` Will Deacon
2013-07-11 10:58 ` Will Deacon
2013-07-11 17:53 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-11 17:53 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-10 3:09 ` Michael Ellerman [this message]
2013-07-10 3:09 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-10 8:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-10 8:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-11 4:42 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-11 4:42 ` Vince Weaver
2013-07-11 6:58 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-07-11 6:58 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-06-27 14:23 ` Michael Ellerman
2013-06-27 14:23 ` Michael Ellerman
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