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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, ehabkost@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH uq/master 1/2] x86: fix migration from pre-version 12
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:54:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130909105450.GQ17294@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <522D9AA9.6060303@redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:53:45AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 09/09/2013 11:03, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
> > On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:31:15AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> Il 08/09/2013 13:40, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
> >>> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 03:06:21PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>>> On KVM, the KVM_SET_XSAVE would be executed with a 0 xstate_bv,
> >>>> and not restore anything.
> >>>>
> >>> XRSTOR restores FP/SSE state to reset state if no bits are set in
> >>> xstate_bv. This is what should happen on reset, no?
> >>
> >> Yes. The problem happens on the migration destination when XSAVE data is
> >> not transmitted.  FP/SSE data is transmitted and must be restored, but
> >> xstate_bv is zero and KVM_SET_XSAVE restores FP/SSE state to reset
> >> state.  The vcpu then loses the values that were set in the migration data.
> >>
> >>>> Since FP and SSE data are always valid, set them in xstate_bv at reset
> >>>> time.  In fact, that value is the same that KVM_GET_XSAVE returns on
> >>>> pre-XSAVE hosts.
> >>> It is needed for migration between non xsave host to xsave host.
> >>
> >> Yes, and this patch does the same for migration between non-XSAVE QEMU
> >> and XSAVE QEMU.
> >>
> > Can such migration happen? The commit that added xsave support
> > (f1665b21f16c5dc0ac37de60233a4975aff31193) changed vmstate version id.
> 
> Yes, old->new migration can happen.  New->old of course cannot.
> 
I see. I am fine with the patch, but please drop defines that are not
used in the patch itself.

> >> In fact, another bug is that kvm_vcpu_ioctl_x86_set_xsave ignores
> >> xstate_bv when XSAVE is not available.  Instead, it should reset the
> >> FXSAVE data to processor-reset values (except for MXCSR which always
> >> comes from XRSTOR data), i.e. to all-zeros except for the x87 control
> >> and tag words.  It should also check reserved bits of MXCSR.
> >
> > I do not see why.
> 
> Because otherwise it behaves in a subtly different manner for XSAVE and
> non-XSAVE hosts.
I do not see how. Can you elaborate?

> 
> >> Yes.  QEMU unmarshals information from the XSAVE region and back, so it
> >> cannot support MPX or AVX-512 yet (even if KVM were).  Separate bug, though.
> >>
> > IMO this is the main issue here, not separate bug. If we gonna let guest
> > use CPU state QEMU does not support we gonna have a bad time.
> 
> We cannot force the guest not to use a feature; all we can do is hide
Of course we can't, this is correct for other features too, but this is
guest's problem.

> the CPUID bits so that a well-behaved guest will not use it.  QEMU does
> hide CPUID bits for non-supported XSAVE states, except for "-cpu host".
>  So this will not be a problem except with "-cpu host".
> 

--
			Gleb.

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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, ehabkost@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH uq/master 1/2] x86: fix migration from pre-version 12
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 13:54:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130909105450.GQ17294@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <522D9AA9.6060303@redhat.com>

On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 11:53:45AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 09/09/2013 11:03, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
> > On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:31:15AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >> Il 08/09/2013 13:40, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
> >>> On Thu, Sep 05, 2013 at 03:06:21PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> >>>> On KVM, the KVM_SET_XSAVE would be executed with a 0 xstate_bv,
> >>>> and not restore anything.
> >>>>
> >>> XRSTOR restores FP/SSE state to reset state if no bits are set in
> >>> xstate_bv. This is what should happen on reset, no?
> >>
> >> Yes. The problem happens on the migration destination when XSAVE data is
> >> not transmitted.  FP/SSE data is transmitted and must be restored, but
> >> xstate_bv is zero and KVM_SET_XSAVE restores FP/SSE state to reset
> >> state.  The vcpu then loses the values that were set in the migration data.
> >>
> >>>> Since FP and SSE data are always valid, set them in xstate_bv at reset
> >>>> time.  In fact, that value is the same that KVM_GET_XSAVE returns on
> >>>> pre-XSAVE hosts.
> >>> It is needed for migration between non xsave host to xsave host.
> >>
> >> Yes, and this patch does the same for migration between non-XSAVE QEMU
> >> and XSAVE QEMU.
> >>
> > Can such migration happen? The commit that added xsave support
> > (f1665b21f16c5dc0ac37de60233a4975aff31193) changed vmstate version id.
> 
> Yes, old->new migration can happen.  New->old of course cannot.
> 
I see. I am fine with the patch, but please drop defines that are not
used in the patch itself.

> >> In fact, another bug is that kvm_vcpu_ioctl_x86_set_xsave ignores
> >> xstate_bv when XSAVE is not available.  Instead, it should reset the
> >> FXSAVE data to processor-reset values (except for MXCSR which always
> >> comes from XRSTOR data), i.e. to all-zeros except for the x87 control
> >> and tag words.  It should also check reserved bits of MXCSR.
> >
> > I do not see why.
> 
> Because otherwise it behaves in a subtly different manner for XSAVE and
> non-XSAVE hosts.
I do not see how. Can you elaborate?

> 
> >> Yes.  QEMU unmarshals information from the XSAVE region and back, so it
> >> cannot support MPX or AVX-512 yet (even if KVM were).  Separate bug, though.
> >>
> > IMO this is the main issue here, not separate bug. If we gonna let guest
> > use CPU state QEMU does not support we gonna have a bad time.
> 
> We cannot force the guest not to use a feature; all we can do is hide
Of course we can't, this is correct for other features too, but this is
guest's problem.

> the CPUID bits so that a well-behaved guest will not use it.  QEMU does
> hide CPUID bits for non-supported XSAVE states, except for "-cpu host".
>  So this will not be a problem except with "-cpu host".
> 

--
			Gleb.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-09 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-05 13:06 [PATCH uq/master 0/2] KVM: issues with XSAVE support Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-05 13:06 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-05 13:06 ` [PATCH uq/master 1/2] x86: fix migration from pre-version 12 Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-05 13:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-08 11:40   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-08 11:40     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  8:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  8:31       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  9:03       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  9:03         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  9:53         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  9:53           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 10:54           ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2013-09-09 10:54             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 10:58             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 10:58               ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 11:07             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 11:07               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 11:28               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 11:28                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 11:46                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 11:46                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 12:00                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 12:00                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-05 13:06 ` [PATCH uq/master 2/2] KVM: make XSAVE support more robust Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-05 13:06   ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-08 11:52   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-08 11:52     ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  8:51     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  8:51       ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  9:18       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  9:18         ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09  9:50         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09  9:50           ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 10:41           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 10:41             ` [Qemu-devel] " Gleb Natapov
2013-09-09 12:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-09-09 12:00               ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini

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